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Timbuck
12-14-2011, 11:17 AM
Just to get away from "Ukulele building" for a while, I'm going to make a few of these gizmo's,that I invented ? a couple of years back :)
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/fingers2.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT2566.jpg

ukulian
12-14-2011, 11:43 AM
If you're selling them, put me down for one please. :)

Pukulele Pete
12-14-2011, 11:45 AM
What is that ,..........a nut scratcher ? Good idea.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
12-14-2011, 12:20 PM
If you're selling them, put me down for one please. :)

Even if you are not making them for sale I need one! :)

Michael Smith
12-14-2011, 12:22 PM
That is a nice tool. I've been doing mine in Photoshop, then printing out the properly spaced lines.

UkeforJC
12-14-2011, 12:23 PM
Me too.......

I will order one too...;)

that is a cool tool, Ken.

bluesuke
12-14-2011, 01:36 PM
I'm with everyone els. Put me down for one

Rick Turner
12-14-2011, 01:45 PM
Me too...please.

Bradford
12-14-2011, 03:02 PM
Got this idea from a Siminoff book some years ago. Just 4 pieces of a discarded band saw blade with the teeth ground off and the edges beveled. I cut the slots in the block with a fretting saw.

Brad

Vic D
12-14-2011, 03:52 PM
Fantastic jig there Ken. Do want.

Gmoney
12-14-2011, 04:25 PM
What is that ,..........a nut scratcher ? Good idea.

:D (spits out drink, laughing so hard!)

Liam Ryan
12-14-2011, 04:57 PM
I'll take one that will set out fret positions thanks Ken.

aaronckeim
12-14-2011, 07:58 PM
I'll take two

Flyfish57
12-15-2011, 02:11 AM
I'll take two as well

Pukulele Pete
12-15-2011, 03:21 AM
What is that ,..........a nut scratcher ? Good idea.

Hey, that might be a good name for your gizmo " the nut scratcher "

thistle3585
12-15-2011, 03:40 AM
How narrow of a nut can you mark with it?

Vic D
12-15-2011, 03:54 AM
What is that ,..........a nut scratcher ? Good idea.

That made me lol.

Timbuck
12-15-2011, 06:02 AM
How narrow of a nut can you mark with it? About 1.125" upwards :)

thistle3585
12-15-2011, 07:57 AM
About 1.125" upwards :)

Bummer. I guess that rules out using it on mandolins.

Timbuck
12-15-2011, 09:24 AM
Bummer. I guess that rules out using it on mandolins.
maybe mandolins can be ok with it what size are the nuts?

thistle3585
12-15-2011, 12:24 PM
maybe mandolins can be ok with it what size are the nuts?

Smallest is 1" but 1.0625" to 1.125" seems to be the norm. I'm happy with the SM ruler to draw out my nuts on my single course strings but I could see a lot of value in your tool for laying out paired courses on mandolins.

Timbuck
12-15-2011, 08:02 PM
Smallest is 1" but 1.0625" to 1.125" seems to be the norm. I'm happy with the SM ruler to draw out my nuts on my single course strings but I could see a lot of value in your tool for laying out paired courses on mandolins.....when fully closed the gauge points shoud be at .025" pitch..so it will handle a 1" neck ..when fully open it's around 4 1/2" big enough for a Double Bass bridge. :)

Pete Howlett
12-15-2011, 09:29 PM
I am very fortunate to have one of these and fully endorse it. It is a genius tool and i hope you charge at least $60 for one because the time saving and accuracy of these things cannot be matched!

Strummin simon
12-16-2011, 12:16 AM
Ken,

any chance of getting one of those?

Timbuck
12-16-2011, 02:00 AM
Ken,

any chance of getting one of those?
I must explain to everyone that my Mate "Strumming Simon" is a Chef by profession..and he is after one of these to just make 4 holes in the tops of his Mince pies :)

Strummin simon
12-16-2011, 02:05 AM
ha ha nice one Ken.

how about if i brought you some mince pies to nibble on?

Strummin simon
12-16-2011, 02:07 AM
I must explain to everyone that my Mate "Strumming Simon" is a Chef by profession..and he is after one of these to just make 4 holes in the tops of his Mince pies :)

and the fact that i normally mark out the nuts by eye when i replace them!

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
12-16-2011, 04:50 AM
I must explain to everyone that my Mate "Strumming Simon" is a Chef by profession..and he is after one of these to just make 4 holes in the tops of his Mince pies :)

Hmm, good thought. In that case I'll be needing two of them.

Liam Ryan
12-16-2011, 11:59 AM
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................................. .......precision meat pie.

Pete Howlett
12-16-2011, 12:34 PM
Mince meat is a misnomer - it is in fact a sweet pie with currents, raisins, suet and all sorts of other stuff but no meat. Ahhh the Englsih language :)

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
12-16-2011, 01:59 PM
Mince meat is a misnomer - it is in fact a sweet pie with currents, raisins, suet and all sorts of other stuff but no meat. Ahhh the Englsih language :)

Well I guess it depends where you're from. Over here we make it out of meat. Mongoose to be exact.

aaronckeim
12-16-2011, 06:36 PM
I'm not kidding about buying two, I know Gordon and I will both want one. $60 works for the labor saved .
A

Timbuck
12-18-2011, 05:44 AM
Well thats two done !..I've still got a few bugs to sort out on the manufacturing side.. and then find a way to make e'm quicker and little less costly.
Co's i'm still working with machinary and tools from the early 1900's. :)
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0002-8.jpg

Liam Ryan
12-18-2011, 08:40 AM
If you do build a run of them, Ken, you can put me down for at least two.

Sven
12-18-2011, 11:32 AM
Yes, by now you know you can sell 20 of them just to us here. But all of us notice (with dread) that you don't respond to our "orders". You rascal.

Timbuck
12-18-2011, 11:47 AM
Yes, by now you know you can sell 20 of them just to us here. But all of us notice (with dread) that you don't respond to our "orders". You rascal. Sven my old Pal....I can send you the plans... and I have no objection to you making one for yourself :)

Sven
12-18-2011, 06:50 PM
Send me the lathe... Old pal. Seriously though, I have a secret contraption of my own that does the trick. But not as good looking as yours.

Pete Howlett
12-18-2011, 10:15 PM
There cannot be any argument over a hefty price on these - it is a time consumming piece of engineering and assembly with all those small parts to turn and thread;the arms to precision mark and drill and the rivetting of them also. When using mine it takes just 5 seconds to accurately mark out any nut width and if you do bespoke non CNC work like most of us here, you will wonder what you did when you didn't have one! I hope Ken goes into production with these. If he made a six position model and cranked them out before the Chinese started to copy them he'd never have to make another ukulele in his life! It is my 'must have' tool next to my knife and Fretmaster...

Timbuck
12-20-2011, 02:25 AM
You got it right Pete there is a lot of work in these :agree: I have to cut down the steel strip to rough size with hacksaw then Mill it to final dimensions and drill..make three brass rivets ....Then the eight brass noggins require 6 operations to complete 1 Machine riveting spigot 2 Part off 3 Cross drill 4 Drill end 5 machine dome end 6 Threading for grub screw......then the carbon steel needles are cut to length, points ground, heat treatment (harden and temper)..then assembly, Rivet all the bits together, then re-tap threads to remove burs caused by riveting. then finaly stress relieve with more heat to remove any linear distortion..and finaly fit needles via grubscrews and make any fine adjustments needed.

Pete Howlett
12-21-2011, 10:28 AM
And that is why you CHARGE for them Ken or get the parts chunked out by a CNC production company leaving assembly and heat treatment to yourself. Of course i can say this being the recipient of your amazing largesse... still think a 6 position model will keep you into your old age :) :) It's the idea we all wish we had.

Timbuck
12-22-2011, 12:54 AM
One of the most time consuming and niggling jobs on making these things is the radius on the ends of the the six steel plates..I try'd leaving them square..filing e'm and grinding e'm ...but they weren't neat enough for a saleable product..so yesterday I made up a "press tool" to simplify the job. I made it mostly out of some old lathe tool shanks that I bought on E-bay some years ago..they were sold as scrap and damaged so I got them cheap..I knew they were made from high carbon steel so I grabbed them for jobs like this..anyway it took about 8 hours to design and make the tool and an hour this morning to to harden and temper the "punch and die" and here it is mounted in the drill press for a test.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0015-2.jpg
The steel strip (already pre-drilled in a drilling jig) is fitted onto the dowel pegs.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0018-2.jpg
pressure is applied to the press and... pop!.. off comes the end and they look like this.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0021-1.jpg
I start off the assembly by riveting them together in pairs like this..Thanks for viewing.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0024-3.jpg

Gary Gill
12-22-2011, 01:03 AM
Clever way to do it.

Pete Howlett
12-22-2011, 01:30 AM
As usual we stand in awe :worship:

Any chance of making them with 6 dividers for the guitar market? You will make a killing :)

Liam Ryan
12-22-2011, 02:03 AM
Most definitely in awe. I've met many who woodwork at home and some who build musical instruments at home but none who do anything that requires the skills you've got Ken.

Timbuck
12-22-2011, 03:19 AM
Most definitely in awe. I've met many who woodwork at home and some who build musical instruments at home but none who do anything that requires the skills you've got Ken. Liam.. thats just basic beginers toolmaking...My favorite subject is the manufacture of Coke cans at the rate of 300 cans per minute..read about it here http://www.madehow.com/Volume-2/Aluminum-Beverage-Can.html

luvzmocha
12-25-2011, 03:01 PM
Did you use heat and oil to temper the punch and die?

Timbuck
12-25-2011, 09:22 PM
Did you use heat and oil to temper the punch and die?
Did it the the old blacksmith way! using a charcole fire, and a blower/old hairdryer..Heated the workpiece's up to a bright cherry red the then quenched in water..cleaned off the scale then gently reheated until the cutting edge became a pale straw colour then quenched again.

Pete Howlett
12-25-2011, 09:59 PM
Alchemist!

Timbuck
12-30-2011, 01:50 AM
I've sorted out most of the bugs..and ordered some more materials to start a small production run....So I have now got this first batch of prototypes on offer..the finished product will be slightly different from these, for a start with, the hexagon brass noggins will be replaced with round material.. and I found a stockist who can supply steel strip cut to size which will save me time on machining...A local Violin maker is keen to get one he say's with all the various sizes of violins 1/8th 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, 4/4 violas cello's etc he say's it could be useful to him..If anyone wants to buy one of these below just give me a PM.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0017-3.jpg

Pete Howlett
12-30-2011, 02:18 AM
Great news Ken - get ready for the floodgates :)

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
12-30-2011, 05:49 AM
Since the floodgates are now open, I can personally tell you that this tool is masterfully crafted. Smooth operating and accurate. It's a must have.

Timbuck
01-29-2012, 10:03 AM
So far good news with this device..I made a batch of 20.. put them all on E-bay to test the market.. and now there is only 3 left to sell and one of those has bids :D..it looks like I'll have to make some more! before someone pinches the idea and makes clones..co's a couple of them were grabbed by pro luthier supplying outfits:confused:
Links http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270902904583?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270902858212?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

Steve vanPelt
01-29-2012, 10:24 AM
Mine just showed up. What a great little tool. Can't wait to start using it. Thanks Ken.

boydellinii
01-31-2012, 03:26 AM
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mketom
01-31-2012, 07:14 AM
Me too! Thanks Ken!33042

Timbuck
02-07-2012, 05:21 AM
Just a quick instruction on how I meant this gauge to be used...this is not a precision measuring device like a vernier gauge or micrometer it do's have small errors but these are eliminated by using it this way.
FIRST MARK OUT THE TWO END STRING POSITIONS AT WHATEVER DISTANCE FROM THE END YOU PREFER.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0002-11.jpg
NEXT USING THE GAUGE PLACE THE END POINTS ON THE TWO END MARKS
THEN MARK OUT THE TWO MIDDLE POSITIONS WITH A SHARP PENCIL.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0004-15.jpg
THEN REVERSE THE GAUGE AND MARK THE TWO MIDDLE POSITIONS AGAIN
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0010-8.jpg
THEN IF THE TWO MIDDLE MARKING SLIGHTLY DIFFER THEN SPLIT THE DIFERENCE DOWN THE MIDDLE.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0013-4.jpg

AlaskaTheo
02-07-2012, 08:28 AM
Awsome looking tool, I'd like to try to make one myself, but cant seem to find anything like the "brass spigot" used to hold the pins, at least through my local suppliers, and online I'm only coming up with plumming parts and hose bibs.

I've thought of changing the design, since I can't seem to find parts, but I like the look of these far better. Instead of the pins through the spigot, I'd use narrow flat bars narrowed to a point with a hole on one end and a slit in the other for adjustment, running a small screw through it to lock it in place rather than running the pin through the nut. if that makes any sense.

my other idea was to drill out some nuts, but that seems a little trickier, at least with my tool set.

any sugestions?

Thanks so much for your inspiring tool building Timbuck

Pete Howlett
02-07-2012, 11:50 AM
Why don't you just get one from Ken instead of trying to reinvent it?

AlaskaTheo
02-07-2012, 12:40 PM
I probably should, and might.

it's two fold. I've kind of busted my tool buget this winter, especialy taking on a new hobby. And, making tools has been another new project of mine, also partialy because of the buget thing. Ive made a few chisels and carving tools, some marking knifes, replaced the knives in my kitchen, and have a couple of block planes and some clamps in the works. I realize that what I'm making isn't top of the line, using old tool steel and being new at it, but I have more ambition than money and it's kind of fun.

Pete Howlett
02-07-2012, 01:30 PM
Remember also that Ken is a bit of a genius and despite complaining about is eyesight is a dead accurate machinist. Just recieved my rosette cutter and the slide works like a dream with no binding. Spent 5 minutes polishing the base and sharpening the cutter, indexing the base for inner and outer circles and it works like a dream.

ukulian
02-09-2012, 09:35 AM
and despite complaining about is eyesight is a dead accurate machinist.

Just checked my nut guage today, and, despite Ken's warning above, it's spot on both ways! :)

ukulian
02-09-2012, 09:39 AM
whoops, double post.

Timbuck
02-27-2012, 05:18 AM
Drilling 18 2.5mm holes in the six steel fingers in every gauge with the aid of a little drilling jig is quite time consuming on the pedestal drill...so I did something to make it easier...I made a presstool/punch to make 3 holes at a time in my new two ton toggle press.
This is a pic of the innerds of the tool..the three punches in a row do the business...and the dowel pins keep it in line...and the die plate holds the work piece
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0052-2.jpg
Here it is with the stripper plate fitted....the stripper plate also guides the punches on target with the die plate.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0050-2.jpg
And next in the toggle press
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0039-5.jpg

Timbuck
02-27-2012, 05:27 AM
Here are some of the punched out components with ends trimmed off in my other press...I punched the 3 holes at a rate of approx: one workpiece every 30 seconds...and if I fed a continues strip through the tool it would be a lot quicker than that.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0042-4.jpg
And finally some of the part assembled gauges.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0045-4.jpg

And when I've completed this batch i'm going back to building ukes again. co's i'm begining to feel the urge again:D

Pete Howlett
02-27-2012, 11:18 AM
:bowdown: The genius that is Ken Timms :bowdown:

Rick Turner
02-27-2012, 06:18 PM
OK, I want in on this, but I don't do PayPal. Can I just send you some US bucks in cash or "X" amount of Guiness or an International Money Order, Ken? Or some acacia melanoxylon uke sets? Email me at rick@renaissanceguitars.com if you please.

Rick Turner
02-27-2012, 06:20 PM
Actually, what I want is Ken Timms coming to my shop to make new tooling for a whole bunch of projects!

Much respect, Ken...

Timbuck
02-27-2012, 11:19 PM
OK, I want in on this, but I don't do PayPal. Can I just send you some US bucks in cash or "X" amount of Guiness or an International Money Order, Ken? Or some acacia melanoxylon uke sets? Email me at rick@renaissanceguitars.com if you please.
Rick it's time for me to confess ...Just after Christmas 2011 I made
a couple of prototypes and I sent them off as Xmas freebies to Noted ukulele builders to try out and see if they were of any use to them and let me know if there were any problems..I sent one to Chuck and one to yourself .... Chuck got his..but your workplace address must have been closed for the vacation, co's the gauge was returned to me about 15 days later with a note saying there was nobody there to receive the package...I still have it here So I'll send it off back to you again.:)

Timbuck
02-29-2012, 10:47 PM
As these gauges are selling a a steady rate..I have been persuaded to stick with em for a while..but first I'm going to finish off a couple of sopranos that I have started.:)
Further experiments have led me to producing a gauge for the violin family..or curved finger board instruments..this one is set for Cello at 62mm radius....A fully adjustable one is in the pipeline.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0003-20.jpg

Dominator
03-24-2012, 09:18 AM
I got mine the other day. Thanks Ken. Looks like a fine additon to my collection of usefull tools. Lord knows I have enough of those not so usefull tools:).

herbsandspices
09-01-2012, 12:28 PM
Howdy Mr. Ken,
I've sent you a couple of PM's requesting purchase of one of these useful beauties, but I'm not sure you get PM's or not, so here I am! They are way too cool (and should be featured as one of Pete's "cool tools" YouTube videos... POKE, Pete!), and I'd love the heck outta one. Just tell me what/when/where!
Thanks,
john

Timbuck
09-03-2012, 03:09 AM
Howdy Mr. Ken,
I've sent you a couple of PM's requesting purchase of one of these useful beauties, but I'm not sure you get PM's or not, so here I am! They are way too cool (and should be featured as one of Pete's "cool tools" YouTube videos... POKE, Pete!), and I'd love the heck outta one. Just tell me what/when/where!
Thanks,
john
John ..Just for you I made one up this morning :D..It's now on E-bay..If you are quick you could get it...Here's the link. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271051169868?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/4pointer.jpg

herbsandspices
09-03-2012, 03:50 AM
John ..Just for you I made one up this morning :D..It's now on E-bay..If you are quick you could get it...Here's the link. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271051169868?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/4pointer.jpg

Is it weird to say I love you, Ken? If so, how about just a regular ol' THANKS! :D

DONE! Except that eBay needs the total price + shipping to the US in order to let me send you official payment.

Thank you kind sir - you have made my day, and then some.

john

Timbuck
09-05-2012, 03:45 AM
It's on the way John...and I managed to scrape enough bits together to make just one more, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271052831740?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649
this is the last one for a while...I'll make another batch up this winter.

Allen
09-05-2012, 09:59 AM
And while Ken doesn't need a plug for this tool, I'll give him one anyway.

I got one for use in my class's, as students really seem to struggle with getting this sort of thing right. And it worked a treat. But the thing is....it works so bloody well that I use it every time I want to lay out a nut too.

So only a few more months before the snow starts to fall everyone. Keep an eye out for the next offering.

Pete Howlett
09-05-2012, 10:18 AM
Wouldn't be without mine...

dofthesea
09-05-2012, 11:46 AM
I would like to purchase one as well.

resoman
09-05-2012, 11:46 AM
It is a wonderful tool!! So glad I got one.

ukebuilder
11-16-2012, 04:22 PM
Hello, Looking for one more if you have it. My dad saw mine and now he is dieing to have one....Thanks

Timbuck
11-17-2012, 01:12 AM
To make another batch of these requires me to make another load of components..I don't mind the assembly work in fact thats the most satisfying bit..but the difficult part is manufacturing hundreds (11 per unit) of the Brass trunions/noggings in an 100 year old lathe..the accuracy of the the riveted parts are essential to the end product being useful..I'm now in the process of working out a better way to make these parts without having to scrap a high percentage..or even farm them out to another guy with more modern workshop machinary.
Here's a pic of the bits I'm talking about.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0017-6.jpg

Pete Howlett
11-17-2012, 02:23 AM
I'd farm all the components out - classic CNC project:)

thistle3585
11-17-2012, 05:01 AM
Maybe a CNC lathe but a screw machine would probably be cheaper.

ukebuilder
11-17-2012, 08:29 AM
CNC Lathe would be cheaper unless he is talking about thousands of parts. A screw machine takes lots more to set up and is not meant for small runs of a few hundred. Our shop wont even look at orders less than a few thousand. I think a cnc lathe and a fixture to drill the hole on the mill would be the fastest way. Any way let me know if you get more and put me on the list.

Timbuck
11-17-2012, 08:59 AM
CNC Lathe would be cheaper unless he is talking about thousands of parts. A screw machine takes lots more to set up and is not meant for small runs of a few hundred. Our shop wont even look at orders less than a few thousand. I think a cnc lathe and a fixture to drill the hole on the mill would be the fastest way. Any way let me know if you get more and put me on the list.

Anyway!..I've put out a few feelers to UK CNC Machining outfits asking for a price on 2000 pieces to make 250 gauges..that should keep me going for a while :D

olgoat52
11-17-2012, 09:02 AM
Ken

Would you post or PM your ebay id? I'd like to get a favorite seller notification when you put one of these up for sale. Thanks much.

They sell something similar here in the US for general woodworking but it is much bigger scale and could not scale down to something like nut string spacing. It is called the "point 2 point" divider.

Timbuck
11-17-2012, 10:08 AM
Ken

Would you post or PM your ebay id? I'd like to get a favorite seller notification when you put one of these up for sale. Thanks much.

They sell something similar here in the US for general woodworking but it is much bigger scale and could not scale down to something like nut string spacing. It is called the "point 2 point" divider.
Thats the device I got the idea from it's used in the UK for setting out dovetails in joinery.
My E-bay I/D is "squarepeg_3000"

olgoat52
11-17-2012, 10:46 AM
I'm watching you mister... :rolleyes: (On ebay that is.) Thanks Ken.

Beau Hannam Ukuleles
11-17-2012, 11:21 AM
Would it be possible to commission one of these for a guitar as well from you???

Timbuck
01-12-2013, 03:07 AM
Well! CNC machining is a disaster up to now..I found a CNC machining outfit to make these components for me..I sent off the Drawings and yesterday I recieved the completed goods....Beautiful job they made of e'm...Except for the cross drilling :( some thing went wrong somewhere either in the setup or the programming co's the cross drilled holes are all about 1/2mm off centre..As they were machined by a CNC lathe I assumed that they would be accurate to within a couple of thou..Looks like they are going to go back with a nasty inspection report. :mad: see pic below
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0005-11.jpg

Kevin Waldron
01-12-2013, 05:46 AM
Ken,

I would also take several 6 and 5 string variations if you choose to do them.

Blessings,

Kevin

hawaii 50
01-12-2013, 09:32 AM
Ha .. i have not read the entire thread but seems to me..
this tool in much demand>> like a Moore Bettah or Compass Rose ukulele..and both luthiers want one..good work!!

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
01-12-2013, 10:12 AM
Well! CNC machining is a disaster up to now..I found a CNC machining outfit to make these components for me..I sent off the Drawings and yesterday I recieved the completed goods....Beautiful job they made of e'm...Except for the cross drilling :( some thing went wrong somewhere either in the setup or the programming co's the cross drilled holes are all about 1/2mm off centre..As they were machined by a CNC lathe I assumed that they would be accurate to within a couple of thou..Looks like they are going to go back with a nasty inspection report. :mad: see pic below
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0005-11.jpg

Makes me feel better than I still do everything by hand. I could've made that same mistake without any CNC machines!
BTW, still loving the original model. Therefore I think of you every tie I build an uke. :)

Timbuck
01-13-2013, 09:28 AM
While i'm waiting to see what the CNC outfit is going to do about these reject parts..I have scraped together enough components (that I have made previously) To make another 3 of these gauges. the first one is now on E-bay.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271138602771?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

Rick Turner
01-13-2013, 10:08 AM
Ken's device is an absolute winner. It's my go-to for nut layout, and I love showing it off!

6 string version, please!

And that one that does the arcs...the violin crowd would love that.

olgoat52
01-13-2013, 01:11 PM
Well that one went fast. I am on the starting block for one of the next ones..

Rick Turner
01-13-2013, 01:40 PM
Oh, as Ken knows full well, the accuracy...or lack thereof...was not because it was a CNC machine, it was because the setup was poorly done by a human being. Could have been just as off done on a milling machine or drill press...and every one could have been perfectly just as wrong as the next. Mistakes are repeatable with any technique!

And, yes...I'll say it again...a six string version! Just add two more sections! The guitar luthier weenies will go nuts for that. Sell 'em to LMI or StewMac.

taylordb
01-13-2013, 02:28 PM
......The guitar luthier weenies will go nuts for that. Sell 'em to LMI or StewMac.

He could probably make a good little side income off of that!

resoman
01-14-2013, 04:56 AM
Oh, as Ken knows full well, the accuracy...or lack thereof...was not because it was a CNC machine, it was because the setup was poorly done by a human being. Could have been just as off done on a milling machine or drill press...and every one could have been perfectly just as wrong as the next. Mistakes are repeatable with any technique!

And, yes...I'll say it again...a six string version! Just add two more sections! The guitar luthier weenies will go nuts for that. Sell 'em to LMI or StewMac.

Poor setup and lack of Quality Control. Heck, all an operator would have to do is look and see that.

Timbuck
01-14-2013, 08:08 AM
Poor setup and lack of Quality Control. Heck, all an operator would have to do is look and see that.
Agreed! :agree:Anyway I sent e'm all back..so I'll see what happens next.
I measured them off centre by 015"...on small components thats a lot.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0018-7.jpg

ukebuilder
01-14-2013, 09:16 AM
remember I need one for my dad when you get some made up. I love mine and so does anyone that sees it and knows what it does....

urcuzzn
01-14-2013, 09:41 AM
is it possible to make a tool to scribe the center of a profiled finger board or neck?
let me re-phrase this.
ken,
could u make me a rugged tool fit with a pen to draw a centerline on a profiled neck?
i'm tired of my ruler.

Sven
01-14-2013, 09:57 AM
That'd be a three-legged version of Ken's tool, with the two outermost gliding along the edges.

But it's easy to find the centerline, whether the fret slots are cut or not.

1. Take a ruler and lay it diagonally across the fretboard, which angle doesn't matter just put zero at one edge and another figure at the other edge. Pick a number that's easily divided in two.
2. for example, choose 70 mm and make a mark at 35.
3. do this again. Maybe 60 mm is good at the narrow end. Put a mark at 30.
4. Connect the two marks.
5. You can make three or more marks to be safe but two is enough.

If you have slots or frets you can make diagonals in the "box" between two frets. Do this in two places and connect the intersections.

Timbuck
01-14-2013, 10:19 AM
That'd be a three-legged version of Ken's tool, with the two outermost gliding along the edges.
Sven :D I'm impressed..you worked that out all by yourself ? with no help from your educated "Kids"? ..but you forgot one thing "Parallax" :eek: (but!!! That can be overcome with a simple mod :))

Sven
01-14-2013, 09:45 PM
Of course I had a simple mod in mind! Just to take care of the Parallax issue...

Beau Hannam Ukuleles
01-15-2013, 06:22 AM
Bought :)

Put me down for two 6 point ones too when they are made

Dominator
01-15-2013, 07:03 AM
Ken, looks like you are not accepting Private Messages. I need to correspond with you regarding the wonderful tool I purchased from you. Can you please email me at dominatoruke@gmail.com at your earliest convenience.
Thanks,

Timbuck
01-21-2013, 03:35 AM
Good new on the CNC parts..The the company has admitted they messed up... and the machine operator has been reprimanded (We used to call it "getting a bollocking") :uhoh: and the replacement parts will be ready for despatch soon. :D

Pete Howlett
02-02-2013, 11:06 AM
Ken - can you put me on the list for another one please?

Timbuck
02-02-2013, 11:09 AM
Ken - can you put me on the list for another one please?

No problem Pete! But it will be a couple of weeks before I can start making e'm again.

gyosh
02-02-2013, 11:59 AM
No problem Pete! But it will be a couple of weeks before I can start making e'm again.

Will you post when you're putting them up for sale again? Will it be through ebay?

Pete Howlett
02-02-2013, 12:13 PM
I can wait Ken - I just want a back-up...

tobinsuke
02-02-2013, 12:30 PM
Ken, I would really like to get one of these from your upcoming run. How would I go about that?

Kevin Waldron
02-02-2013, 12:44 PM
Ken,

Someone asked about a center layout... I remembered Bridge City having something similar and found this..... not sure if you would consider a modification but I don't think it would be to hard to do and it would allow for center to be found using the gauge.

48376

We also purchased and still have two of these marking tools...... that use to be made for center marking made by Bridge City.

48377

This one is still made but custom order.

http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/tools/layout-tools/cs-2-centerscribe-1.html

48378

Blessings,

Kevin

Timbuck
02-02-2013, 08:54 PM
Kevin ..That Center Finding tool is a great design I love it.
i've seen the 8 point "spider divider" before (I believe the original was made in Germany for map making/reading) if you look at them you can see that the end pitch is wider than the other 6 pitches..and while its ok for large jobs but there is a limit to how small it can go...Sadly they are now discontinued items.

Here is the original 11 points all equal :)
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/dividers_zps9a099dc3.jpg

Kevin Waldron
02-03-2013, 01:54 AM
Ken,

Thanks for looking...... I don't think making it like Bridge City by extending the two center dividers would place the height to far above for use for instrument work.

Blessings,

Kevin

Timbuck
02-13-2013, 10:14 AM
Replacements for the reject parts arrived today...Now I can soon start production.


New parts
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0006_zps6eabcc1e.jpg

Rejected parts
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0018-7.jpg

olgoat52
02-13-2013, 10:41 AM
I'm watching ebay. Are you going to do a couple of 6 string ones?

Timbuck
02-13-2013, 10:46 AM
I'm watching ebay. Are you going to do a couple of 6 string ones?
Maybe!.. but a six string one involves more design changes, co's some guitars have a smaller nut pitch than uke's...if it was easy i'd already have done it :)...*Also note* that a six pointer can be used for 3-4-5 strings as well

herbsandspices
02-13-2013, 10:53 AM
*Also note* that a six pointer can be used for 3-4-5 strings as well

I've even been using mine for 1 and 2-string instruments! :D :p

olgoat52
02-13-2013, 11:03 AM
Sorry. Wasn't thinking. I was think you just needed two more of everything. I see what you are getting at. Buying just one to do guitars and ukes was what I was thinking about. Thanks


Maybe!.. but a six string one involves more design changes, co's some guitars have a smaller nut pitch than uke's...if it was easy i'd already have done it :)...*Also note* that a six pointer can be used for 3-4-5 strings as well

Timbuck
02-17-2013, 01:14 AM
At last! ..I've started a small production run with the CNC parts...the've improved quite a bit since I made the first one by hand out of scrap metal on the right :)
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc143/shiregreenbod/PICT0012_zps1ed989e3.jpg

Gary Gill
02-17-2013, 01:58 AM
They look good Ken. You had a great idea with this tool.

ukegirl13
02-17-2013, 05:01 AM
Alright! Looking good. Please put me down for one.

tobinsuke
02-17-2013, 06:13 AM
Why do I have this big silly grin on my face? Two words: Ken Timms and eBay. Ok, three words.

Anyway, you can bet I'll be watching the mail like a hawk for a little while.
Thanks, Timbuck!

ukebuilder
02-17-2013, 03:19 PM
I still want one. Make sure I am on the list....

Dan Uke
02-17-2013, 03:53 PM
I still want one. Make sure I am on the list....
its on ebay

Piedmont Uke
02-18-2013, 03:17 AM
Ken,
Is the nut/saddle gauge up on e-bay yet?

Pete Howlett
02-18-2013, 08:15 AM
Thanks Ken - some wood on the way to you:)

Dan Uke
02-18-2013, 12:56 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luthier-tools-4-String-nut-Spacing-Gauge-Ukulele-Violin-Mandolin-Banjo-Cello-/271158609362?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item3f225005d2

Timbuck
02-18-2013, 09:53 PM
Ken,
Is the nut/saddle gauge up on e-bay yet? Yes ! try here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271158609362?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649

Piedmont Uke
02-19-2013, 05:40 AM
Thanks Ken! Got the last one. These things sell like they are free. Go get 'em Ken!!

bluesuke
02-27-2013, 04:50 PM
Ok I said I didn't really see the need for this. But I could not resist anymore and it arrived today and its wonderful and very well made. Thank you Ken

tobinsuke
02-27-2013, 05:15 PM
Got mine today. Ken, the craftsmanship is fantastic - definitely a solid, accurate, no-slop little beauty. Fantastic!

I actually ordered a six-pointer as well because I can imagine this being very handy in all sorts of situations beyond string spacing.

Pete Howlett
02-27-2013, 10:22 PM
Had the great pleasure of passing on the 3rd one you made for me Ken... Thanks - the new one is definitely an 'evolved' model. Thanks again.

Dan Uke
03-06-2013, 06:09 AM
I bought it as a novelty as I'm not a luthier but I actually replaced my first nut yesterday. Too lazy to measure so this tool is great and easy to use.

Timbuck
03-06-2013, 10:33 PM
The Six point version is getting some interest from the Classical Guitar builders in France and Spain....another one went to these guys this week.
José Miguel Moreno y Ángel Benito Aguado...anybody got one of their Guitars?

Sven
03-06-2013, 10:37 PM
I always thought Argapa sounded vaguely Spanish. But it means something rather stupid in Swedish.

Pukulele Pete
03-07-2013, 12:47 AM
I'm gonna say it again. This tool needs a name and I think you should call it the " nut scratcher"

Sven
03-07-2013, 02:23 AM
I think "nut spacer" is good. Makes me think of those pink rubbery toe spacers people use when polishing toe nails. Then my mind wanders too far and I think of a pink rubbery spacer for ----

BE GONE FOUL THOUGHT!

tobinsuke
03-07-2013, 06:14 AM
String Spacing Gage? Nut and Saddle Divider? The Amazing Professor Timms' Fantabulous Wonder Gizmo? A rose by any other name...

marvj0420
03-07-2013, 03:36 PM
If your selling them I would like One. Thanks

urcuzzn
03-15-2013, 11:54 AM
love my new nut sloting guage. thanks timbuck.

DPO
05-18-2013, 03:23 PM
Got mine about three weeks ago. Superb craftsmanship and Genius design.
Thanks.
Dennis in New Zealand.

Timbuck
12-16-2013, 04:54 AM
Bumped this up again co's i'm back in production :) ..4 done so far, 2 six point and 2 four point.

Sven
12-16-2013, 05:09 AM
I use mine as a center finder too, cause... I'm a lazy so-od. I'm a lazy so-od.

Beau Hannam Ukuleles
12-16-2013, 11:23 AM
Here are my nuts, and string spacing on a bridge and the finished bridge.

61993

61994

61991

61992

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
12-16-2013, 11:51 AM
Everybody needs one! I can't imagine going back to the old way of plotting & splitting millimeters and so forth. So easy!

gyosh
12-16-2013, 05:14 PM
eBay?

I always miss out on these!

Sven
12-16-2013, 05:42 PM
I'm surprised I haven't seen copies of this tool yet. It is so handy, and fun to use. Imagine the volumes Stewmac would sell of the six string version.

dmecha1012
12-16-2013, 06:22 PM
Ken,

What is the procedure for purchase?

Timbuck
12-16-2013, 10:42 PM
Ken,

What is the procedure for purchase? PM sent ;)

Pete Howlett
12-16-2013, 11:25 PM
Ken - I need a 6 pointer. I have a pile of one piece 'helium' mahogany soprano sets for trade, Please confirm and I'll box it up for an early Christmas present.
Regards
Pete

Timbuck
12-17-2013, 01:00 AM
Ken - I need a 6 pointer. I have a pile of one piece 'helium' mahogany soprano sets for trade, Please confirm and I'll box it up for an early Christmas present.
Regards
Pete Another PM sent :)

Beau Hannam Ukuleles
12-17-2013, 06:50 AM
I'm surprised I haven't seen copies of this tool yet. It is so handy, and fun to use. Imagine the volumes Stewmac would sell of the six string version.

I agree-
Ken, i'd contact Stew Mac about them producing this with your name connected to it. I can put you in contact with fellow who knows a bit about patents etc as id hate to see someone thieve this and you not see a penny or pound.

Hms
12-17-2013, 08:13 AM
Would they be patentable as prior art exists?

http://thedesignersassistant.com/2013/09/18/get-em-while-theyre-cheap-and-pointy-affordable-equal-space-dividers/

If Ken went to Stewmac, he would have to rely on their honesty for them not to rip off his item. Item is out in the open now, so I think Ken has very little control.

Good luck to Timbuck, whatever he does.

H

Just had a thought, (dangerous for me!) if it was marketed as the 'original' Timbuck nut and saddle gauge, then any that came afterwards would be implied as a copy and inferior.

Pete Howlett
12-20-2013, 05:13 AM
6 pointer received with thanks Ken. 8 mahogany soprano sets in the post.

Macmuse
12-20-2013, 06:36 AM
for anyone wandering by and wondering if any are available.... if you are quick there are a couple up on eBay.

Mr. Timms username there (to repeat for him a previous post) is: http://www.ebay.com/usr/squarepeg_3000

He's got another lovely uke up as well!

urcuzzn
12-20-2013, 11:13 AM
Mr timms,
This is peter Lieberman-urcuzzn
Did u receive my pm?

Timbuck
12-20-2013, 11:50 AM
Mr timms,
This is peter Lieberman-urcuzzn
Did u receive my pm?
Yes Peter!! I received the PM ..And I have made up your item, and put it into storage for when you return after Xmas.

D. Ramsey
01-22-2016, 08:23 AM
Hey Tim... You still make these? send me a note with pricing with shipping to Los Angeles area. :)

Beau Hannam Ukuleles
01-22-2016, 09:40 AM
I mentioned you to Stew Mac RD department (i sent these pics) and told them to contact you Ken- hope to make you famous!!!

8765987660

Pete Howlett
01-22-2016, 09:53 AM
Go for it Ken. Their licensing agreement is very fair...

Mimbler
07-08-2016, 04:27 AM
Hi, I build classical guitars and just signed up in this group as my next build is a tenor uke for my wife.

I am interested in purchasing your six point nut spacer if you are still selling them. At your convenience could you tell me the price and procedure for purchase? I am in the US.
thanks, Mike Imbler

Timbuck
07-08-2016, 04:51 AM
Hi, I build classical guitars and just signed up in this group as my next build is a tenor uke for my wife.

I am interested in purchasing your six point nut spacer if you are still selling them. At your convenience could you tell me the price and procedure for purchase? I am in the US.
thanks, Mike Imbler
Hi Mike I aint got any at the moment ..But! ...PM sent

Mimbler
07-08-2016, 05:51 AM
Hi Mike I aint got any at the moment ..But! ...PM sent

Thanks! Mike