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GKK
01-15-2012, 06:09 AM
Whats the advantage or disadvantage between a fretted or fretless UBass?

Thanks...

RichM
01-15-2012, 07:13 AM
Many people (including me) like the freedom and smooth dynamics that fretless playing can give you. Fretless playing allows you to use semitones, deliberately create dissonance by coming in in front of or behind the tone, create unique slides and effects, and generally allow a different level of freedom and creativity that fretted playing does not.

However, that freedom comes at a price. Frets pretty much guarantee that as long as you hit somewhere behind the fret you mean to be playing, you're going to hit the right note; the fret stops the string vibration at a static place, so you don't need to be dead on. Fretless playing demands that a player have a level of accuracy and a true ear, because failing to finger the string at exactly the right place will result in a note that is sharp or flat. While that slight variation often characterizes fretless playing, it can rapidly turn into a horrible mess. So fretless playing requires a bit more focus and accuracy from the player.

When I'm playing long-scale bass guitar, fretless is awesome, and worth the effort. On a UBass, I think fretless would be a challenge. The shorter scale would place a huge premium on accuracy, since the short scale makes the difference between "close enough" and "awful" pretty tiny. I love my fretted UBass, but I'm not sure I'd have the courage to go fretless on a short-scale instrument. If you're not absolutely sure, I'd vote fretted.

Dougf
01-15-2012, 07:21 AM
Here's a video I shot at NAMM last year of Bakithi Kumalo (Paul Simon's bassist) playing fretless U-Bass. Might sway your decision. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zKCLHjSI9A

xtoph
01-15-2012, 08:05 AM
The way I heard it explained was that the fretted u-basses have trouble with intonation higher on the neck.

PhilUSAFRet
01-15-2012, 09:37 AM
I was advised that the fretless is much harder for a beginner to learn on. Can't prove it by me.

kissing
01-15-2012, 06:37 PM
I used to have a fretless Ashbory bass, which would be pretty much identical to a fretless Ubass in terms of playability.

It is more difficult for a beginner, because you have to "guess" where the frets would be.
And at a shorter scale, it is even more difficult to get the intonation right on a fretless.

But in the hands of someone experienced, fretless gives more melodic freedom and more fluid "slides".

Dougf
01-15-2012, 06:45 PM
The fretless that Bakithi is playing in the video has fret markers, but no frets, so you have a visual clue where to place your fingers.

Nickie
01-15-2012, 06:54 PM
I have a fretless Ashbory bass, but it has fret markers. I can't play it.

Jon Moody
01-16-2012, 12:07 AM
Here's a video I shot at NAMM last year of Bakithi Kumalo (Paul Simon's bassist) playing fretless U-Bass. Might sway your decision. :)


Kumalo is an amazing fretless player anyway, so it's no surprise he's killing it with the U-Bass. I don't see that as a valid argument for going for the fretless model when you've got other musicians citing the short scale of this magnitude makes playing fretless incredibly difficult.


The fretless that Bakithi is playing in the video has fret markers, but no frets, so you have a visual clue where to place your fingers.

That can either make it easier or harder, depending on viewpoint. When the strings are in tune, it's very easy to play a fretless with lines. When they're a little out (which will be exacerbated by the scale of the U-Bass), for those inexperienced fretless players it will become a nightmare, since they're not used to hearing the notes as much as relying on the lines.

GKK
01-16-2012, 04:24 AM
Thanks, for the help everyone!...

SailingUke
01-16-2012, 04:53 AM
How about tone, it seems easier for me to get a clean tone on a frettless.
With the fretted I get buzzes. Among my friends I am known for my clean guitar and ukulele chords, so I don't believe it is technique.
The rubber band strings just don't seem to fret well for me.

chrimess
01-16-2012, 04:58 AM
I like my fretless since it gives me a lot of versatility on sound- playing closer to the bridge will give you more attack and closer to the neck more of the standup sound and feel. Also, it validates my pride of mastering a fretless instrument- you still have the training wheels of the fretlines printed on the fretboard.