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ramone
02-14-2012, 02:50 PM
these look interesting, has anybody played one? I'm wondering what the string tension is like and if they're similar to the Kala U-Bass.

http://kamoaukulelecompany.com/ukuleles.php?sid=49

thanks,

ramone

salukulady
02-14-2012, 03:06 PM
No, they don't have that sloppy feel with the steel strings. Also you can hear them some when they aren't plugged in. Very nice. Kamoa had the two best ukulele related new items at NAMM this year, this bass and the hollow bodied steel stringed electric uke. Sam's a very nice guy and his ukes are beautiful.

ramone
02-14-2012, 03:42 PM
thanks, salukulady. steel strings! do you know if they're the same gauge as regular electric bass strings? did you get the chance to play one? I've played electric bass for a long time and when I tried the Kala, I couldn't get on with the rubbery feel of it. it didn't seem to have much volume either, but I tried it at a street fair and there was a lot of ambient noise. I really like those hollow body ukes, too. I'd love to get a red one!

-ramone

UkeNukem
03-02-2012, 04:56 AM
Aquilla has some new strings for the UBass - Thinderguts I think they are called.

Luke El U
04-30-2012, 11:09 PM
I tried a Kamoa "Bass" a few days ago (April 29). It was pretty cool, but I was disappointed to find out that it is pitched
an octave above an electric or upright bass. In other words, it is pitched like the for bass strings of a guitar.
I thought one could just as easily put the four bass (classical/nylon) strings on a baritone and get a better instrument.

ramone
05-01-2012, 10:54 AM
wow. I think I would be disappointed, too.

DaleR
02-04-2013, 04:53 AM
I am still very curious about this instrument, which really is a true uke bass. The U Bass is awesome, but really is a contrabass sound. I wish there were more videos out there, as I hate to buy one just to try it out and maybe not like it.

~dave~~wave~
02-07-2013, 07:10 AM
Buddy, if the video in that link isn't enough to convince you, I don't know what else would. :rolleyes:
Mim has four of them listed in her e-bay store right now. ;)

Since you already own a u-bass, it would be your next logical step.
I know I drool over them, since they use flatwound strings. :drool:

As mentioned above, to experiment you could try stringing up a bari with something like the Thomastik classical guitar flatwounds, that's something I plan down the road...

DaleR
02-07-2013, 08:17 AM
Yeah, I saw that vid. Would be nice to hear some real bass lines and how the axe can handle them, not some guitarlike showboat stuff. It just sounds too guitarlike in that video, which turns me off.

~dave~~wave~
02-07-2013, 02:42 PM
..this instrument... really is a true uke bass...

The Kamoa is essentially baritone uke, but instead of tuning same as the top four strings of a guitar, it's tuned to the bottom four.

A u-bass tunes the same as a bass guitar, using a baritone uke scale length and body.

So as a bass player, my perception is the Kamoa plays in the "piccolo bass" range, an octave above a "true uke bass."



Would be nice to hear some real bass lines and how the axe can handle them, not some guitarlike showboat stuff. It just sounds too guitarlike in that video, which turns me off.

Again, since it's tuned identical to a guitar, that's what it's going to sound like.
Bass players are frustrated lead guitar players, anyway.:p

I think I hear the potential of the instrument based on the video. I can imagine turning off the reverb, dialing in a more bassy tone and playing "real" bass lines on it.

But however real the bass lines, they would sound an octave above "real" bass pitch, right? Just like if a guitar were playing them.



...hate to buy one just to try it out and maybe not like it.
Happens all the time. Why do you think there's a ukes for sale forum here?
Mim has a 14 day return policy, you pay return shipping, can't be more fair than that.

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Good luck in your "true" uke bass journey, there's getting to be an embarrassment of riches in instrument and string options.

Speaking of which, have you tried Pyramid wound strings or any of the Aquilas on your u-bass?

DaleR
02-07-2013, 05:36 PM
really.:deadhorse:

DaleR
02-08-2013, 04:20 AM
I am so tempted to just buy one and check it out. Not sure I need two bass ukes though, although they are such different instruments. Uke Republic has them in stock too!:confused:

DaleR
02-08-2013, 11:28 PM
And as a sound experiment, as was mentioned in an earlier thread, I just tuned my baritone down to EADG. There is a little buzz, but not bad. It is a cool tone too! I can definitely see how the Kamoa bass has a niche in the bass world.

DaleR
02-10-2013, 06:59 AM
Good luck in your "true" uke bass journey, there's getting to be an embarrassment of riches in instrument and string options.

Speaking of which, have you tried Pyramid wound strings or any of the Aquilas on your u-bass?

I have a new set of Thunderguts in my case, but I LOVE THE SOUND OF THE PAHOEHOES....:drool:

In the tuba world, we call a piccolo tuba a baritone, but I can see with folk instruments how things developed differently. I love the sound of my bari in standard tuning, but am very curious about the Kamoa tuning and its potential for use.:shaka:

DaleR
02-11-2013, 03:04 PM
Well, I made the next step. My baritone has been restrung as a bass baritone. Tension is just fine, but will monitor carefully to see if any problems start appearing. Seems to be less tension than the normal DGBE strings. The sound is awesome!!!

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DaleR
02-11-2013, 03:05 PM
Here is a closeup. First time tying a string knot...it went quite well.

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DaleR
02-12-2013, 04:04 AM
Tension is just fine and it has a sort spunky kind of sound when played hard...not really a slap bass, but punchy. This is a neat alternative for bass players!

DaleR
02-15-2013, 07:09 AM
Held up very nice against three acoustic guitars and singers. This is a real neat addition to the uke bass family!:shaka:

ramone
02-15-2013, 03:08 PM
what strings did you put on it, Dale?

DaleR
02-16-2013, 04:43 AM
light classical guitar strings...bottom four...works perfectly, great tone, no buzz

WAGWAD
02-16-2013, 12:43 PM
Anyone know what strings come on this bass?

~dave~~wave~
02-20-2013, 03:20 PM
^^^
Nickel flatwounds, like the classic bass guitars of the 60's.
http://ubassappreciation.wordpress.com/2012/02/15/the-new-kid-in-town/

The horse may be dead, but I'm going to say it again.
This isn't a bass.
It's either a piccolo bass or the bottom 2/3rds of a guitar.

DaleR
02-22-2013, 06:21 AM
Held up very nice against three acoustic guitars and singers. This is a real neat addition to the uke bass family!:shaka:

And of course I had a hard strummer to keep up with last night. If you have someone who can play the guitar nicely, the bass baritone keeps up just fine. If you get paired up with a drummer/ guitar/ hero...the sound is just lost. Still, it is a pretty, full sound...totally different than a guitar. uBass comes out next week for the session!

bassfiddlesteve
03-06-2013, 12:36 PM
The horse may be dead, but I'm going to say it again.This isn't a bass. It's either a piccolo bass or the bottom 2/3rds of a guitar.

I think this is an important point to get across. Calling it a bass is misleading. I assumed it was tuned like the U-Bass until I saw the demonstration video.

- Steve

quiltingshirley
03-15-2013, 01:54 PM
I tried out a "bass" Kamoa at the store in Kaua'i last week and I just played regular chords with it and it sounded really good. Sam just gave it to me to try not plugged in so I could walk around. I was wondering if someone is already playing a bass role in Jam get togethers with a U Bass can the Kamoa just be played like you would another ukulele? I should have asked while I was in the store but I was too busy looking and trying everything else. I loved the sound and the strings were so easy to play.

UkeKiddinMe
03-15-2013, 03:18 PM
I have logged many miles on the UBass. If anybody needs info or recommendations, PM me.

This is Not a bass.

A UBass, on the other hand, IS a real bass. That can do - anything.

Anyone here exploring the UBass world - do yourself a favor, throw the stock strings in the garbage, and
get some Aquila Thunderguts or Silver Rumblers. You'll thank me later. An unbelievable combination.

quiltingshirley
03-15-2013, 03:26 PM
Maybe I'm asking the wrong question. I don't want a true bass, I just want a deeper sounding ukulele. Sorry for the confusion.

HeavyDuty
03-16-2013, 05:44 AM
I have logged many miles on the UBass. If anybody needs info or recommendations, PM me.

This is Not a bass.

A UBass, on the other hand, IS a real bass. That can do - anything.

Anyone here exploring the UBass world - do yourself a favor, throw the stock strings in the garbage, and
get some Aquila Thunderguts or Silver Rumblers. You'll thank me later. An unbelievable combination.

I'm primarily a bass player, and I think the Kamoa fills a need - it's a bass instrument relative to standard uke tuning.

Also, I happen to like the stock Pahoehoe strings, and so do most other UBass players. By all means experiment with different strings, but your comment is a little simplistic.

UkeKiddinMe
03-16-2013, 05:48 AM
Also, I happen to like the stock Pahoehoe strings, and so do most other UBass players. By all means experiment with different strings, but your comment is a little simplistic.

I was just offering encouragement to try the other alternatives. Yes, many people like the stocks. Usually those people, though, don't know about
the alternatives yet. The Aquila strings reach stability in a fraction of the time of the stocks, and they don't take a wrestling match
to put them on. :) A whole lot of people who try the Aquilas never go back to the stocks.

HeavyDuty
03-16-2013, 05:57 AM
It is nice to have string options for the Ubass, I agree!

DaleR
03-16-2013, 08:25 AM
I was just offering encouragement to try the other alternatives. Yes, many people like the stocks. Usually those people, though, don't know about
the alternatives yet. The Aquila strings reach stability in a fraction of the time of the stocks, and they don't take a wrestling match
to put them on. :) A whole lot of people who try the Aquilas never go back to the stocks.

I have Thunderguts on my uBass and a spare set of Silver Rumblers in the case.

5150ukulele
03-20-2013, 01:30 PM
The Kamoa is essentially baritone uke, but instead of tuning same as the top four strings of a guitar, it's tuned to the bottom four.

A u-bass tunes the same as a bass guitar, using a baritone uke scale length and body.

So as a bass player, my perception is the Kamoa plays in the "piccolo bass" range, an octave above a "true uke bass."




Again, since it's tuned identical to a guitar, that's what it's going to sound like.
Bass players are frustrated lead guitar players, anyway.:p

I think I hear the potential of the instrument based on the video. I can imagine turning off the reverb, dialing in a more bassy tone and playing "real" bass lines on it.

But however real the bass lines, they would sound an octave above "real" bass pitch, right? Just like if a guitar were playing them.



Happens all the time. Why do you think there's a ukes for sale forum here?
Mim has a 14 day return policy, you pay return shipping, can't be more fair than that.

*****************

Good luck in your "true" uke bass journey, there's getting to be an embarrassment of riches in instrument and string options.

Speaking of which, have you tried Pyramid wound strings or any of the Aquilas on your u-bass?

What ~~dave~~wave~~ said .

Pretty much, IT'S NOT A BASS !

HeavyDuty
03-21-2013, 02:48 AM
What ~~dave~~wave~~ said .

Pretty much, IT'S NOT A BASS !

Pretty much, IT DOESN'T MATTER. :o

Think of the pitch of a bass relative to a guitar. Pleasing, right? The Kamoa is tuned to the same relative relationship to a uke.

DaleR
03-21-2013, 04:38 AM
You know, I wonder how it would sound through a smaller guitar amp? Since it truly is the bottom four bass strings of a guitar, it should work pretty well. This is something I may need to check out.

5150ukulele
03-25-2013, 05:10 PM
Pretty much, IT DOESN'T MATTER. :o

Think of the pitch of a bass relative to a guitar. Pleasing, right? The Kamoa is tuned to the same relative relationship to a uke.

If it "Pretty much doesn't matter ", then I say call it a bariukecello . And I'll call my dogs a banana and my motorcyle a toaster oven . roflol

Nickie
04-03-2013, 05:27 PM
I really like the idea of a radiused fretboard...if I can just learn to play my Ubass, and decide I really love it....hmmm

imperialbari
04-15-2013, 01:19 PM
I like the sound of the E3E demo video. I can play chords on ukes and guitars, but scalewise I think like a bass player. I like playing melodies on the UBasses because the strings are so kind on my old arthritic fingers. That goes for Pahoehoes, for Thunderguts, as well as for Silver Rumblers. I prefer the latter two for their better pitch stability, but there had been no UBasses, if not for the Pahoehoes.

PayPal helped me regain my money from a crooked eBay seller, so I could now buy the E3E, which is in a more melody relevant octave than the UBass. I even found an E3E for sale within the EU.

But I need to know what strings the E3E takes. I hardly can believe it takes standard flatwound bass guitar strings.

Wouldn't they be far too stiff to fret on the short upper frets?

The video suggests the E3E is easily fretted, but I really need very specific information about the strings. Also because I need to be convinced that I have easy access to replacement strings.

Fun seeing some guys known from other boards here also!

Klaus

Tinstar
05-21-2013, 12:44 PM
I have logged many miles on the UBass. If anybody needs info or recommendations, PM me.

This is Not a bass.

A UBass, on the other hand, IS a real bass. That can do - anything.

Anyone here exploring the UBass world - do yourself a favor, throw the stock strings in the garbage, and
get some Aquila Thunderguts or Silver Rumblers. You'll thank me later. An unbelievable combination.

I just ordered the new Kala UBass Rumbler from HMS and it comes with Silver Rumbler Strings, the piezo pickup with active EQ and built in tuner...and it was a great price! I'm a bass player from way back and I can't wait to try out this little beauty! I always played short scaled basses (Gibson EBO and Fender Mustang) due to fairly short fingers. I think that this small bass and I are going to get along just fine! Also, getting old with a recent torn rotator cuff repair on one shoulder and pains in the other from a herniated disc in my neck, will make this little, light weigt bass a pure pleasure! I am stoked! :drool:

imperialbari
06-09-2013, 03:19 AM
Got my Kamoa E3E a couple of weeks ago.

Same dimensions as the acoustic UBasses but for smaller tuner buttons and (surprise!) a somewhat deeper body with a curved back. The UBass podcase cannot be closed fully with the E3E in it.

Feels a bit heavier than the solid mahogany and acacia UBasses.

Ordered a spare set of the original flatwound nickel strings. Their envelope tells the gauges to be .028, .040, .047, and .060.

Where the UBass strings that I know (Pahoehoe, Thunderguts, Silver Rumblers) don't cause calluses on the left hand fingertips, the E3E strings have given me quite noticeable calluses. The UBasses take exact finger positioning away from the fret to avoid a buzz, but they don't take much force to fret. The E3E calls for a much harder pressure on the string to get a clear tone.

The demo video emphasizes the melodic singing qualities of the two upper strings. Played over a bass amp (EBS Session 60) the low notes have a very warm and full bass quality.

To me there is some confusion in the nomenclature of this thread. UBasses (and bass guitars) are contrabass instruments. The E3E is a bass instrument able to cover most of the vocal bass range.

On their FaceBook wall Kamoa recommended me using an octave pedal to make the E3E work in the contrabass range. They chose the bass range with flatwound strings because of a better intonation compared to the synthetic strings in the contrabass range. I tend to agree. The octaves between the open strings and the 12th fret notes are way better on the E3E than on the UBasses. But then I have found the UBasses being much better in tune with themselves if I tune the 12th fret notes and then avoid any open strings, which all come out flat with this method of tuning.

Also contrasted to some complaints over the UBasses that their output is too weak at least my sample of the E3E has a huge output from its preamp. I was disappointed with the chorus type sound, when I first plugged the E3E into an amp with the same settings as for the UBasses. The TC preamp simply was overloaded.

Also plugging it directly takes care with the gain to avoid overloading.

I have put in a Fish&Chips equalizer pedal as first station with the sole purpose to attenuate the signal drastically. Doing this at the E3E volume slider brings it down where an unintended touch will shut it off completely. My ears also sense a loss of overtones with the slider in that position.

I don't regret buying the E3E, but I still have to find a good solution to the problem with more low frequent attack noise than from the UBasses. A low pass filter killing everything below 80Hz would be fine. And I haven't yet found the sweet EQ spot where the two lower strings sing freely around the 12th fret and the upper strings don't overload badly at the same time.

Klaus

bassfiddlesteve
11-27-2013, 07:40 PM
I was just offering encouragement to try the other alternatives. Yes, many people like the stocks. Usually those people, though, don't know about
the alternatives yet. The Aquila strings reach stability in a fraction of the time of the stocks, and they don't take a wrestling match
to put them on. :) A whole lot of people who try the Aquilas never go back to the stocks.

I like the sound and stability of the Thunderguts but found them too sticky, so it's back to the stock strings for me.

- Steve

katysax
11-30-2013, 08:06 AM
This thread is motivating me to try something I've been thinking about. I've got a Rickenbacker baritone guitar. I've been thinking of tuning it BEADGB (BEADF#B) and using it as a bass guitar with the uke group since the UKEs are pitched high enough that it would still provide a nice rhythmic floor. The bottom five strings would be used like a five string bass and the top two strings could be used to pick out some melody lines. I actually think a guitar pitched bass line would be quite nice paired with ukes.

Tele295
02-20-2014, 02:13 PM
I played one the other day, and re-tuned it in regular baritone intervals. Not sure what the actual pitches were, as I just tuned it to itself. It sounded pretty good that way, real nice for my fingerstyle tunes I usually play on my tenor.

Forestrung
03-01-2014, 12:19 AM
Hi,
I've been playing bass and uke for a few years now and I've played the Ubass and the Kamoa with a uke group.
The Kamoa is a really cool instrument, but I'd not call it a bass as such, it is definitely an octave higher than a true bass. However, you can play some pretty nice chords and diads on it. For playing acoustically they are NEARLY loud enough, but still need plugging in really. I'd recommend them if you already have a EAB or bass uke - but it just not quite the same instrument if you need a lower end sound.

By the way, Ive been building and selling bass ukes for a little while now. Just set up a website with video comparison with the Ubass - take a look:

www.buzzardsfieldbasses.co.uk

Let me know what you think.

(Have some fretted and fretless Kamoas on order too...)

~dave~~wave~
03-01-2014, 03:19 AM
I played one the other day, and re-tuned it in regular baritone intervals. Not sure what the actual pitches were, as I just tuned it to itself. It sounded pretty good that way, real nice for my fingerstyle tunes I usually play on my tenor.

This is an interesting concept that hadn't occurred to me, but worked well on the Kamoa when I tried it.

There are a couple of options for tuning.
Starting with the standard tuning of EADG, by dropping the top two strings a half step to E A C# F#, you have standard uke intervals, in "A" tuning.

The strings are high enough tension to do a dropped tuning to DGBE, baritone tuning (an octave down).
Works well for melody lines and arpeggios.
Strummed open chords sound a bit muddy, but are still in the range of the bottom four strings of a guitar.
Playing chord inversions further up the neck sound good to me.
I quickly found myself wishing the upper bout was cut away for better access.

The nickel flatwounds are comfortable, squeak free, with more sustain and volume than petrochemical strings.