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bazmaz
07-01-2012, 01:51 AM
Anyone on UU behind this site with a growing list of tabs?

http://ukutabs.com/tips-guides/10-tips-for-ukulele-beginners/

I ask because their ten tips for uke players above is exactly the same as a popular post on Ukehunt, and wondered whether Al is connected with the site.

Here is Al's post

http://ukulelehunt.com/2008/03/26/ten-tips-for-ukulele-beginners/

bazmaz
07-01-2012, 01:54 AM
Hmmm and this

This post on Live Ukulele http://liveukulele.com/gear/changing-strings/

Is reproduced as http://ukutabs.com/tips-guides/change-ukulele-strings/

The Big Kahuna
07-01-2012, 02:15 AM
Run a WHOIS on both urls

The Big Kahuna
07-01-2012, 02:18 AM
Hmm, different nameservers and different registrants.

If it was the same person behind both, you'd think they'd use the same hosting.

Kanaka916
07-01-2012, 02:30 AM
Al Woods site and Curt Sheller's site have been around before UU. Since I've been with UU, I've seen a number of other ukulele sites, ukulele tab sites and blogs pop up after it's enormous success. I don't think Al has anything to do with Ukutabs. Live Ukulele (Brad's site) came up around the same time frame (if I remember right). It's just unfortunate there are folks who use information from these sites because they don't have the imagination or originality to create. The least they can do is credit and reference the info to the original author.

luluwrites
07-01-2012, 02:33 AM
I used to read a lot of crafting and sewing blogs and this happened a lot -- a real problem for some of those crafters who were trying to build a name and business. In some cases, all the robbed person had to do was contact the thief and the posts or blog would be removed. You would be surprised how often the thief believed or claim to believe that she had done nothing wrong and thought that was the way the internet/blogs/websites operated.

bazmaz
07-01-2012, 03:10 AM
I'm reserving judgement on whether it's copied til I hear from Al ( I messaged him) - not cool if it is unauthorised.

bazmaz
07-01-2012, 03:32 AM
Ok, I've spoken to Al - its a rip off. Not authorised. I think that stinks and trust UU members will think the same. Al runs his site as a living - it's his job. To just blatantly copy content with no permission...

The Big Kahuna
07-01-2012, 03:38 AM
I've registered for the Ukutabs forum. As soon as I get my authorisation email I'll pose the question.

bazmaz
07-01-2012, 03:40 AM
Good one.

I may email them too.

The Big Kahuna
07-01-2012, 03:42 AM
I'm wondering if it's some sort of cash generating scam site that someone threw together. The fact that Jonas posted on the forum, and a "new" member (the only one) posted 30 minutes later to say how he loves the site and uses it every day smalls like bullshit to me.

bazmaz
07-01-2012, 03:43 AM
Looking over the site there are shades of design reminiscent of all sorts of sites. The name and logo with the flower is clearly based on Ukulele Tabs.

bazmaz
07-01-2012, 04:03 AM
They have now added attribution links back to Live Ukulele and Uke Hunt!

The Big Kahuna
07-01-2012, 04:15 AM
Yeah, I left a message on their facebook page and almost immediately he started following me on twitter to tell me that. I asked if he'd asked for permission first.

The Big Kahuna
07-01-2012, 04:42 AM
Heh. He's removed the forum now, obviously after seeing someone legit' try to sign up.

bazmaz
07-01-2012, 05:02 AM
Using content with attribution is what is needed when copying and pasting. I believe Ukehunt content is offered under Creative Commons for that purpose. But no attribution is bad.

Even then though, would be nice to see the site owners own writing, his own top 10 etc. Al isn't the only person to have a top ten tips on his site, and it's nice when I read others own top ten tips.

joeybug
07-01-2012, 07:43 AM
Just had a look and the chord diagrams are very similar to the Ukulele Tabs ones, I know, I know, you can't do much with chord diagrams, but still, it feels like he's ripped off the whole site!


EDIT: Turns out he got in trouble for doing just that so made his own, but they are remarkably similar!

Brad Bordessa
07-01-2012, 02:02 PM
Wow. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

itsme
07-01-2012, 03:40 PM
I believe Ukehunt content is offered under Creative Commons for that purpose. But no attribution is bad.
I didn't see any mention of that. Just "Copyright © 2012 - All rights reserved".

Seems most of the site's content has been "borrowed" from other sources. It's ironic that they posted this without crediting where they've acquired their "content":


At the time of writing (7th April 2012) UkuTabs is only 3 weeks old and already a lot has happened to the website, Iím amazed myself, but still a lot has to be done. Especially content! Content is the key and you can help me with that, simply submit your ukulele tabs! Thank you and stay tuned, this story is just starting!
Now, look at their tab for Jake's "Weeps". I somehow doubt the site owner personally transcribed it, yet they've stamped "by Ukutabs.com" on the PDF. :rolleyes:

bazmaz
07-01-2012, 08:09 PM
It's a lazy site IMHO. Tells us nothing about the site owners uke experience, likes, dislikes etc.

I'm assuming it's just set up to be a money spinner in some way with zero contribution from the site owner themselves.

itsme
07-01-2012, 08:22 PM
I'm assuming it's just set up to be a money spinner in some way with zero contribution from the site owner themselves.
I didn't see any ads on it, so I doubt their motivation was simply money.

Brad Bordessa
07-01-2012, 08:23 PM
By my request all of Live 'Ukulele's content has been removed (and it looks like he took it upon himself to take off everything from Ukehunt too). An easy transaction, but one that probably shouldn't be necessary.

ukutabs
07-01-2012, 09:00 PM
Hello everybody,

Passing by to point a few things out:

- Purely money making? I am the only person that runs UkuTabs and I do it in my spare time. I absolutely hate advertisements, but I had to place two google adds on UkuTabs two weeks ago to get some money to pay for the hosting. I have made 0.16 euro's this far. So if this was purely a money making website, I'm doing it completely wrong.

- Owner does nothing and just sits back? Like I have said before, I am the only person there so I complete all requests, have spent weeks creating the website, finetuning it, making chord diagrams (yes, first originally from ukulele-tabs). On top of that I'm trying to add quality chord progressions for songs. Tablatures are given credit, where credit is due.

- Copy and pasted guides? Yes, and I am the first in line to tell you that this was wrong. Those guides are however the best on the internet. Credit was given on some guides at the bottom but that wasn't by far enough. Per request I have now deleted all of them and I will write original guides on the subjects in the next few days.

I will happily answer any questions and would love to chat with you. You know where you can find me ;-).

Mahalo!


Edit: You might have to clear your browsers cache to see the guides removed because UkuTabs uses caching of pages.

itsme
07-01-2012, 09:22 PM
Okay, ukutabs, please explain this one for me. Did you transcribe it, or did you take someone else's tab and put your site name on it?


Now, look at their tab for Jake's "Weeps". I somehow doubt the site owner personally transcribed it, yet they've stamped "by Ukutabs.com" on the PDF. :rolleyes:

bazmaz
07-02-2012, 09:15 AM
Ukutabs. I never knocked the tabs idea as people always like that stuff.

It's just the lack of imagination. Don't get me wrong here, but the look of the site is VERY polished. That must have taken time to do. How much time would it take to share your own top ten tips or your own guide to the parts of a uke? Surely that's not much work and provides another take on things rather than just using others content.

I think you did the right thing taking it down, but why not replace it with your own tips and guides?

EDIT - and I'm not actually against using others content, but it MUST be with prior consent in my book and with more than just a one line credit.

If I wanted to share AL's top ten tips I'd email him, ask him, get him to approve final copy and would probably open and end it with a big plug for his site more generally

bazmaz
07-02-2012, 09:55 AM
Can I also just make a moderator request? The forum reacted (and I know Jonas agrees that was right) but he has

A) apologised, and
B) removed the content

Can I suggest thread is now locked unless it descends and gets out of hand. The forum shared its views and ukutabs quickly reacted and sorted the issue. Not much more to be said now, and if he works on original content then I wish him luck.

Kanaka916
07-02-2012, 10:22 AM
Agreed . . . This thread is locked!