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ukuloonie
11-27-2012, 02:12 PM
Howdo Ukuloonie here
I'm just getting ready for the new season and I was thinking that we need to iron out some guidelines to help new hosts or participants to get a better idea of what we do. I want to keep this as easy going as possible, cause otherwise it ain't fun and that is what this season is all about to have fun share your love for Music, The Ukulele and to get to know people you would never meet in any normal circumstance and to become more of a community.

Do any of these ideas sound good?

Do you have any other suggestions that I could include?

Most of these ideas we are doing already they just needed to be formed into a more cohesive manner.

Seasonistas:
These are ideas for shaping the Seasons challenges a little bit in the second year, so everyone has similar expectations. Notice the word is "guidelines," not "rules"---we're still the easy-going Seasonistas.

Should the Seasons be a separate section of the Forum like the Ukulele builders/Luthier lounge, Maybe lounge in the Seasons section?

GUIDELINES FOR HOSTS (not rules)

1. Seasons hosts should have the Seasonista experience. Only one posted video in a Season makes you a Seasonista, so jump in somewhere before you sign up to host.

People can host 2 times per season, people and can host a third just that they should be willing to share that week if a person who hasn't hosted at all that year would like to have a go. We get new people joining in all the time.
Would there be a better way to deal with this in the aloha spirit?

2. Hosts should at least acknowledge every entry and comment on it.

3. Hosts should make every effort to comment often. It feels much more like a party if the host comments regularly through the week. Working people may find it hard, but the host should try to check in daily and at least let participants know when the comments on all posts and the results are expected.
Maybe if you can't comment often, don't choose that week to host.

4. Hosts should try to wrap up judging/selecting fairly quickly. The Seasons are very fast-moving, and it will be simpler to keep track if they wrap up soon after the entry time ends. (Maybe the Saturday after it ends?)
This will simplify the confusing weekends.

5. Hosts should pay particular attention to new posters, because for many people, it takes nerve to reveal themselves in their playing. A warm welcome is likely to keep them coming back.


THEME
Try to choose a theme that has not been done before.

Some themes have been a particular artist (Woody Guthrie), a musical style (country, Latin-influenced), a musical era (British invasion), a musical effect (percussion), a natural element (rain), an abstract concept (home, dreams, heaven/hell), another language (French), multiple versions of one song (Take Me Out to the Ballgame), and let's-have-fun ideas (guilty pleasures).


TIMING
A Season begins on Saturday---and please late on Saturday evening in the US so the previous week is not disrupted early. It ends 8 days later on Sunday midnight (usually on Hawaii time).

PARAMETERS
Entries must be new recordings for the Season and must say so in the video. One entry per Season.
Beyond that, the host chooses what qualifies (e.g., one take only, costumes, multitracking, what earns bonus points). Sometimes a host rules out a song or two for being too obvious for the theme.
Bonus songs may have other parameters.
RECOMMEND A LIMIT to bonus entries per person---host to decide.

JUDGING
Choose any method. Judging on skill,Participants vote, selecting with thrown knives, participant votes, and drawing from a hat all have worked. Hybrid styles work too. (Participants of lower skill levels have a chance to win with drawings.)

PRIZES
Whatever the host wants to give. They usually have some relation to ukes, music, or the theme of the week. Sometimes they're jokes. Generally they are of little monetary value. The host sends them to the winners.


To the Participants:
Do you crave and enjoy feedback and encouragement? Every player does!
Boost your karma by commenting on entries, even those that don't seem special to you. Those players are doing their best at their own levels.

Try to comment in the thread without copying the video as the thread gets very long and heard to go through when looking for new entries.

mattydee
11-27-2012, 02:50 PM
I think all of these are fantastic guidelines, Drew. I agreed with Dave (TCK) in a thread (http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?71947-Sub-thread-suggestion) in the UU forums business section (or whatever that's called) that I thought the Seasons were now big enough to be their own sub-forum, but I'm not sure whatever happened to that idea... maybe now that Jon is a mod, he can either decide for or against, or at least bring it up with the powers that be?

Here's a thought, I wonder if it were to truly become it's own sub-board, if it should fully morph into more of an open mic and less of a contest. No physical prizes, but still hosted weekly, with an applause-o-meter, or something, but that it's all in good fun... There's been some discussion of this in times past.. Now that we're talking about codifying, it's just a thought.

I would say that we should go easy on the rule about how many times one can host in a year -- I've hosted thrice, as have a couple of others... if there's enough demand, then great! But maybe limit to two during 'sign-up season' and then open it up to more after that, knowing that you might be asked to step away for your third, or whatever?

Anyway, thanks, Drew, for taking on the mantle of Secretary of Seasons. We couldn't do it without you.

TCK
11-27-2012, 02:53 PM
Lot to digest there, but I will give it a go.
YES- the seasons should be a separate forum at this point, with the guidelines for hosting and playing at the top.
I really like what is set forth here in terms of what the responsibilities of a host are, and all these things should be considerations before hosting.
I also like what you said about new players, but would like to add something. Simply paying attention to new folks is one thing, but the animal grows when they feel appreciated for putting themselves out there, we know that. It would be nice if there was a way to add in addition to First Second and Third place some sort of "New Seasonist" award where possible.

uke4ia
11-27-2012, 02:58 PM
It would be nice if there was a way to add in addition to First Second and Third place some sort of "New Seasonist" award where possible.

Rookie of the Season

Except I've got to admit I haven't taken part in every season, so I could think someone is a first-timer when they've entered a few seasons already.

mattydee
11-27-2012, 03:01 PM
Rookie of the Season

Except I've got to admit I haven't taken part in every season, so I could think someone is a first-timer when they've entered a few seasons already.

Yep -- but that's never stopped the Grammy's. A lot of times, Best New Artist has been out there hoofin' it for a long time. I like this idea, but wonder how to put it into practice. What's the cutoff?

Hippie Dribble
11-27-2012, 03:14 PM
Love where you're coming from Drew and thankyou for noting that these are "guidelines" only. Hard-and-fast rules only end up alienating folks.

Your comments on timing are interesting. I think there is sure a danger of hosts feeling a little deflated when the next season is posted too early and their season hasn't run its full course. Takes some of the joy away no doubt as people migrate away from their thread in a way that is a little pre-emptive. I think the new seasons should not be posted until the Sunday myself so there is less mutual crossover time. Given the speed at which members generally post videos I don't think a day lost would make any difference at all to the number of songs entered.

The general principles you've outlined really do stand in accordance with how Christian set it up, and how it has continued to evolve: as a community oriented thing that is inclusive and encouraging to old and new members alike.

So, in my humble view, you are AWESOME Drew. :) Thankyou for taking leadership in this brother, it's very much appreciated by all of us.

Re the seasons becoming a self-contained board, I will need to make inquiries to seeso about doing that. That is an administrative tool that seeso can only initiate with the blessing of Ryan, Aldrine and Aaron. As moderators we are not equipped with that capability. I will get onto it though and get back to you mate.

ukuloonie
11-27-2012, 03:41 PM
Thanks Guys for your support,
I don't want credit for all of it, I have spoken to a few members to help figure this out
and I want to thank Ginny really helping me put this thread together,
there were other helping me with these ideas as well.

I like the Idea from Jon about starting a little later for the new week of the seasons.
I've had this feeling myself about the cross over time. I even thought of starting on
Monday but with peoples work schedules Sunday night does sound a bit better.
Then Saturday is the absolute latest if possible to release the names of ?winners?

Does the open mike theme get addressed when we do bonus songs?

I like the great mention, new member, rookie award idea.
helps with the Aloha Spirit of the Seasons.







I'm just trying to put it all together.

pabrizzer
11-27-2012, 04:17 PM
Some good thinking here.
Matty Dee - LOVE the idea of an open mic rather than a "contest".
Is the idea of winning why members post videos to a Season?
I doubt it.
I think it more to enter the spirit and share a song that required some thought to choose and produce.

Personally - I could really do without PRIZES.

Really like the idea of the host being actively involved during their week. Not so sure about the sometimes long "presentation" videos??

Strongly agree about not reposting any entered videos. I went though all previous seasons to have a good look at the songs shared and the reposted clips just made the threads ponderously long. It will make it hard to reply to a specific post but there must be ways around that. The official playlists really helped and are a great archive.

It's sometimes hard for me, being the opinionated fellow that I am, to wait the respectful amount of time before jumping in with my 2 cents worth (over valued most say). But that's what I think forums are about. I have felt most welcome here but terms like "newbie" and "junior member" do tend to grate with me. Believe me I'm no JUNIOR.

Love the thought that obviously goes into this place - and keep up the good work ukuloonie et al.

pabrizzer
11-27-2012, 04:19 PM
Gee, I posted that and I'm not a JUNIOR any more. Woohoo! I hated those shorts and long socks!

FiL
11-27-2012, 04:23 PM
I'm a relative newbie to the seasons, so I hope you don't mind my two cents. I like all of the suggestions put forth, including The suggestion to not start the season until Sunday. The overlappings seasons make it hard to focus.

Since I wasn't around in h beginning, I have no idea why each contest is called a season and not a week. That always seemed weird to me. What will the second week of next year be called? The second season of the second season? Seems confusing to me.

I'm sure this wouldn't fly, but I'd love to see the bonus tracks saved for the latter half of the week. I know most of the time multiple versions of the same song is ok, but it still takes some of the fun out of it if the song you spent all week rehearsing gets pre-empted by someone with a half-dozen bonus tracks. I wouldn't want to keep people from doing bonus tracks, but leaving them until a little later might give more people a chance to shine with their official entries before the avalanche of videos.

- FiL

mattydee
11-27-2012, 04:49 PM
Since I wasn't around in h beginning, I have no idea why each contest is called a season and not a week. That always seemed weird to me. What will the second week of next year be called? The second season of the second season? Seems confusing to me.



The Seasons moniker stems from the original six weeks, which were a rolling contest, each week with a new theme, and the thing was then called, Six Seasons of the Ukulele. This was all masterminded by our own Chrimess, as you may have picked up along the way, without, I think realizing that he was actually starting a juggernaut. Back in those days, he picked each week's theme, posted on Saturday, to be completed by the next Sunday, Midnight, Hawaiian. A running tally was kept week to week, and the participants in the contest were competing for a grand prize after the six weeks, with a simple points-winner announced each week. Those weekly winners were announced by Christian in a video, often recorded in his car, with a brief critique for each video posted. There were also two other judges, who sadly we don't see much in these parts anymore: Mim and Wolfybau.

So, a lot of what happens in the Seasons is vestigial from those old days, when a few of us picked up the pieces and decided to soldier on: The name, the timing, the judging videos. I for one would be sad to see those go. I love checking the boards on Saturday, and looking forward to the new season while the old one is closing out. I love the judging videos. And, well, these are the Seasons of the Ukulele. Anything else just wouldn't have the same ring.

That said, the thing has obviously grown way beyond its humble roots. Maybe year two deserves some changes...

GinnyT11
11-27-2012, 05:11 PM
Bravo, Drew, our great Volunteer Facilitator, for a great discussion.

I think it would be good to implement one particular change at the new year:
Why don't we rename it Seasons 2012 (using weeks 1-45), then start Seasons 2013 (weeks 1-52), with the first full week of January?


TIMING
I would really prefer starting the new week on Sunday to limit overlap! Let Saturday be the old week all day. I love the idea of winners being announced by the Saturday after the week's challenge ends.


HOSTS
The host's fun is in choosing the theme, and the host's obligation is to acknowledge and comment on all entries. This may be hard for people with heavy work schedules. A very busy host could make the playlist more manageable by limiting bonus songs.
(If bonuses were limited to 2---or 3 or whatever---per person, participants could post more songs, but should delete some to keep the number to the limit.)

Since we now have a lot of people who want to host, I like Mattydee's idea of limiting a host to two weeks during sign-up season for the calendar year, and then let things happen if someone drops out or a hole stubbornly remains empty.

PRIZES
I don't think physical prizes are necessary, but I still like the idea of winners being chosen through various means. It's amusing and engenders conversation among us.

NEWBIES
I know that first-time posters get noticed by many, but it's still nerve wracking for several posts, and any encouragement is deeply appreciated. I think someone should be considered a Seasonista New Poster for the first 5 posts over 5 weeks (sort of like becoming a senior UU member after 100 posts).

Tootler
11-28-2012, 05:40 AM
I think these guidelines are excellent. Some observations, though

Timing
I agree with the suggestion of not posting the new challenge till Sunday but with some flexibility allowing for hosts living in different time zones.

Bonus tracks
It's up to hosts how they allow bonuses but a general suggestion that no bonuses be posted before Wednesday so as to reduce the number risk of someone's chosen entry being preempted by a bonus track is a good idea - it won't eliminate it but it might just help.

I have no problems with linking to earlier entries or posts in the videos thread as bonuses if they fit the current season, but again not until Wednesday.

In both the above cases, it's ultimately up to the week's host what they will allow but a suggestion that they give consideration to no bonuses before Wednesday does no harm IMHO.

Contest or open mic?
I think keeping it formally as a contest is OK but stick to token prizes and keep it low key. The "open mic" flavour is part of what makes the seasons what they are. We are more a community than competitors. Certificates might be a way forward to maintaining the contest element but keeping it low key. Maybe certificates of merit for excellent entries rather than first second and third. I gave serious consideration to just awarding certificates to the winners in season 40 and Tina actually awarded every entry a certificate in her season.

Hosting
Twice in a year with extra to fill gaps seems reasonable. Of course, if you just want to host once during a year, that's fine also.

I agree entries should be new recordings made for the season. Otherwise hosts sets the rules for the season.

Feedback
I agree that if you enter, you should try to comment on at least some of the videos. Many are leaving their comments directly on the video which is fine. If you see videos that have not had comments made (apart from the host, that is) then leave a comment. There are some who enter regularly and get very little comment. Some encouragement will be much valued by those people.

wee_ginga_yin
11-28-2012, 06:22 AM
I think the idea of Contest should be replaced by Challenge

A contest somehow suggests that we are putting our toes to the line and setting
off on a race where the biggest and best have more of a chance at winning.
A Challenge however is more about individual endeavor, and about doing the best you can.

You might think this is all semantics and one word is as good as the other, but contest
seems to be a more aggressive word and always conjures up the idea of winners and losers

I would like to think that a challenge is a more personal thing where the individual is not pitting
themselves against others, but is aspiring to just do the best that they can.

Some folks might not be up for a contest, but may feel more at ease with a challenge.

decaturcomp
11-28-2012, 06:45 AM
I refer to the Seasons as a Challenge when I mention it to folks.
There's a Songwriting group here in the Atlanta area which uses a similar sort of challenge to help folks narrow their focus and to write at least one song each week.


I think the idea of Contest should be replaced by Challenge

A contest somehow suggests that we are putting our toes to the line and setting
off on a race where the biggest and best have more of a chance at winning.
A Challenge however is more about individual endeavor, and about doing the best you can.

You might think this is all semantics and one word is as good as the other, but contest
seems to be a more aggressive word and always conjures up the idea of winners and losers

I would like to think that a challenge is a more personal thing where the individual is not pitting
themselves against others, but is aspiring to just do the best that they can.

Some folks might not be up for a contest, but may feel more at ease with a challenge.

mattydee
11-28-2012, 06:51 AM
I think the idea of Contest should be replaced by Challenge

A contest somehow suggests that we are putting our toes to the line and setting
off on a race where the biggest and best have more of a chance at winning.
A Challenge however is more about individual endeavor, and about doing the best you can.

You might think this is all semantics and one word is as good as the other, but contest
seems to be a more aggressive word and always conjures up the idea of winners and losers

I would like to think that a challenge is a more personal thing where the individual is not pitting
themselves against others, but is aspiring to just do the best that they can.

Some folks might not be up for a contest, but may feel more at ease with a challenge.

Exactly this. :agree:

Hippie Dribble
11-28-2012, 07:07 AM
I agree with Rob's comments as well. The fact is, in all but name it has really ceased to be a 'contest' anyway; I think we all realise we are neither winners nor losers here but communal participants all sharing a drink from the same stream. Good call brother. Further, were it to become more widely known, officially, as a 'challenge' then that might help mitigate the unneeded pressure on hosts to find prizes for each week.

coolkayaker1
11-28-2012, 08:20 AM
Couldn't the "prize" be that the latest winner is the next Season host and thus, a priori, the next Season cannot begin until the last Season is concluded.

This would address the prize issue and the timing issue.

FiL
11-28-2012, 08:32 AM
Couldn't the "prize" be that the latest winner is the next Season host and thus, a priori, the next Season cannot begin until the last Season is concluded.

This would address the prize issue and the timing issue.

I don't think that would work. Not all winners will have the time to be a host.

- FiL

GinnyT11
11-28-2012, 08:37 AM
Couldn't the "prize" be that the latest winner is the next Season host and thus, a priori, the next Season cannot begin until the last Season is concluded. This would address the prize issue and the timing issue.

I agree with FiL. People choose weeks way ahead because they know it's a convenient time for them (between projects or semesters, etc.). It's surprisingly time consuming to host.

But Steve, it's nice to see you interested in the Seasons. When will we see your first post on one of your fabulous ukes?

ukuloonie
11-28-2012, 08:45 AM
I really like the idea of Challenge for the week instead of contest.
Thanks Wee Ginga Yin

ukuloonie
11-28-2012, 08:54 AM
Thanks Tootler for your Comments I like what you have suggested.

Barbablanca
11-28-2012, 09:15 AM
Some great suggestions. If the Seasons are to have their own section of the site then we could easily lose the "Competition" angle and re-brand as a "Challenge".

I also think the hosts should choose their own weeks. Imagine what would happen if someone won in a certain week when they'd had time to participate, but then had to host the following, which just happened to coincide with another work commitment (exam week for teachers, foreign conference for business people, etc) - so I don't think the idea of "you win, so you host" will fly.

I also see the logic in delaying bonus tracks until the half way point. Although I usually prefer to do original material, I can see how frustrating it must be to prepare a song then find someone who has already entered that "season" does the song you have been preparing as a "throw away" bonus track.

As for the name: "Seasons" is indeed curious, but then a lot of fun things have mysterious origins. And also participants are already "seasonistas"!!! "Weekistas" just doesn't cut it.:) Right now we can have freshly-seasoned seasonistas and well-seasoned seasonistas with the present name ;)

If we do abandon the competition angle, it will be interesting to see if that increases or decreases the number and frequency of entries. I suppose for every person who shies away from competition, there is someone else who thrives on it. I know that, personally, winning a couple of seasons this year has boosted my confidence both on the instrument and as a song-writer. But I'll still try and get my entries in, even if we switch formats. I need my seasonista audience!!! - as I suspect do many regular participants :)

Que viven los seasonistas!

Garydavkra
11-28-2012, 09:43 AM
I'm sure this wouldn't fly, but I'd love to see the bonus tracks saved for the latter half of the week. I know most of the time multiple versions of the same song is ok, but it still takes some of the fun out of it if the song you spent all week rehearsing gets pre-empted by someone with a half-dozen bonus tracks. I wouldn't want to keep people from doing bonus tracks, but leaving them until a little later might give more people a chance to shine with their official entries before the avalanche of videos.

The point the you make about the song choice being pre-empted by someone's bonus song has been brought up before. The whole idea here is to welcome everyone no matter what their ability but, it's hard to do when then are so many people with different abilities.


I think the idea of Contest should be replaced by Challenge

A contest somehow suggests that we are putting our toes to the line and setting
off on a race where the biggest and best have more of a chance at winning.
A Challenge however is more about individual endeavor, and about doing the best you can.

You might think this is all semantics and one word is as good as the other, but contest
seems to be a more aggressive word and always conjures up the idea of winners and losers

I would like to think that a challenge is a more personal thing where the individual is not pitting
themselves against others, but is aspiring to just do the best that they can.

Some folks might not be up for a contest, but may feel more at ease with a challenge.

I agree with you 100%.

mattydee
11-28-2012, 09:51 AM
Couldn't the "prize" be that the latest winner is the next Season host and thus, a priori, the next Season cannot begin until the last Season is concluded.

This would address the prize issue and the timing issue.

This was floated way back when we picked up the baton from Christian... It was decided than, for many of the axons stated just above my post, that it wouldn't work. The fact of it being a weekly project is important to the event, I feel. Signing up in advance has been fine, so far. No need to fix this bit of unbroken machinery.

As for challenges/contests: I like the idea of doing away with prizes, but maybe doing certificates/firefly crowns.

Garydavkra
11-28-2012, 09:58 AM
"I also see the logic in delaying bonus tracks until the half way point. Although I usually prefer to do original material, I can see how frustrating it must be to prepare a song then find someone who has already entered that "season" does the song you have been preparing as a "throw away" bonus track."

Bernie, this is one of the reasons that I started writing my own songs.:p If I do play another song, I don't watch any of the previous posted songs until I've posted mine.:D The only problem is that I don't have as much time to look at all the entries since I usually don't post till near the end of the week. I would like to see the format go to a two week format instead of one. It would give a little more breathing room and I could do a little better at preparing.

Hippie Dribble
11-28-2012, 10:05 AM
I know that, personally, winning a couple of seasons this year has boosted my confidence both on the instrument and as a song-writer. But I'll still try and get my entries in, even if we switch formats. I need my seasonista audience!!! - as I suspect do many regular participants :)

Que viven los seasonistas!
Berni I need to say this RIGHT NOW....you are a FANTASTIC songwriter and have a wonderful presence as a performer. You are a real wordsmith and have a keen ear for melody and a superb talent for storytelling. There! I feel better now...aaaahhh :p

Garydavkra
11-28-2012, 10:21 AM
I'm also wondering if mulit-tracking should be optional with all seasons. I know that the ukulele has a wonderful tradition and charm but, if that's all it is then maybe we should take it all the way and require everyone to play and sing Hawaiian music? That's not going to happen. So, since a lot of modern western music is played with a band, why not allow multi-tracking? Listening to someone play a song solo with a ukulele that was originally arranged for a band is just not...Pono. :D I don't multi-track with my ukulele but, I have done it with my guitar. It's loads of fun!:cool:

Hippie Dribble
11-28-2012, 10:33 AM
I'm also wondering if mulit-tracking should be optional with all seasons. I know that the ukulele has a wonderful tradition and charm but, if that's all it is then maybe we should take it all the way and require everyone to play and sing Hawaiian music? That's not going to happen. So, since a lot of modern western music is played with a band, why not allow multi-tracking? Listening to someone play a song solo with a ukulele that was originally arranged for a band is just not...Pono. :D I don't multi-track with my ukulele but, I have done it with my guitar. It's loads of fun!:cool:
If it becomes purely a challenge with no prize incentive and judging parameters then that would be fine.

But if it remains a judging based thing each week then this wouldn't be workable as it would exclude the luddites who have no understanding of the technology. The seasons began, at least partly I think, as a response to contests that were run and won sometimes on the basis of editing and multitracking skills and so this was seen as a way to level out the playing field...(*Christian please chime in here*) Especially with so many new people just getting started, it's not something I'm for. I think multi-tracking is for separate contests. Just my 2 cents :)

pabrizzer
11-28-2012, 10:34 AM
On multi-tracking - I think it should be up to the host of the week to decide.
It does require a different set of skills and software use other than just rendering a song with your instrument. It also puts those that can't (multi-track) at a disadvantage.
Live performance vs studio production if you will. Although with looping and all kinds of drum and bass machines that line has been erased these days.
I know when I view and listen to a video posted here I'm interested to hear how they sing and play not how clever they are at using technology.

Hippie Dribble
11-28-2012, 10:37 AM
YES- the seasons should be a separate forum at this point, with the guidelines for hosting and playing at the top.


Have posted about this on the mods board. Waiting to hear from seeso on it...

mattydee
11-28-2012, 10:47 AM
On multi-tracking - I think it should be up to the host of the week to decide.
It does require a different set of skills and software use other than just rendering a song with your instrument. It also puts those that can't (multi-track) at a disadvantage.
Live performance vs studio production if you will. Although with looping and all kinds of drum and bass machines that line has been erased these days.
I know when I view and listen to a video posted here I'm interested to hear how they sing and play not how clever they are at using technology.

Exactly this. :agree:

As for going to bi-weekly, I for one, would be incredibly saddened by this. Part of the challenge is working up the song in a week, and part of the camaraderie is surviving the weekly challenge with all of the Seasonistas. Besides, seeing you all only twice monthly would be so depressing.

ukuleledaveey
11-28-2012, 10:47 AM
Cheers drew for all your hard work and love and care over Christians Baby, some good ideas and pointers, i am of the mentality "if it aint broke it dont need fixin", i like the name of "seasons" and how it runs now is fine in my opinion, so i would like to see it carry on without much change, i guess i am one of those people who doesnt like change, i like the idea of " Challenge" instead of Competition. Just my two pence worth, i love the seasons and your all wonderful people :)

oh also i know rules and what not are decided by the weekly judges, but on two points 1 about bonus songs, i have no problem with posting bonus songs when ever in the week, i think personally it is a bit unfair to not be able to post bonus songs till later in the week because some one may be learning that song, it shouldnt matter, this leads on to point 2 myslef personally dont htink multi tracking should be allowed, as i am on of the luddites and crap uke players, so that is a double dis advantage, not having the means,know how or skill to multi track or plqying skills puts us that are at the bottom , firmly at the bottom, so if it is proposed about bonus songs being with held i think multi tracking should be scrapped to give crap players like myself a very very very slim chance.

But all in all you guys decide what is best, this many months of seasons has been a amazing journey and brought many smiles and many new friendships, love to you all guys n gals GROUP HUG

Barbablanca
11-28-2012, 10:58 AM
Berni I need to say this RIGHT NOW....you are a FANTASTIC songwriter and have a wonderful presence as a performer. You are a real wordsmith and have a keen ear for melody and a superb talent for storytelling. There! I feel better now...aaaahhh :p

YOU feel better??? I am over the moon. Thanks a lot! I love your stuff too and was genuinely pleased your song won the Kids' contest.

BTW, isn't it very late in Oz? Or are you up early?

Garydavkra
11-28-2012, 11:28 AM
On multi-tracking - I think it should be up to the host of the week to decide.
It does require a different set of skills and software use other than just rendering a song with your instrument. It also puts those that can't (multi-track) at a disadvantage.
Live performance vs studio production if you will. Although with looping and all kinds of drum and bass machines that line has been erased these days.
I know when I view and listen to a video posted here I'm interested to hear how they sing and play not how clever they are at using technology.

You struck chord with me on that one, pabrizzer. I think that technology is not always a good thing and can make up for or hide a lack of ability. In some cases can actually hinder development, in my opinion. We can compose and create a song on a computer without even knowing how to play an instrument.

Hippie Dribble
11-28-2012, 11:37 AM
YOU feel better??? I am over the moon. Thanks a lot! I love your stuff too and was genuinely pleased your song won the Kids' contest.

BTW, isn't it very late in Oz? Or are you up early?
no probs Berni, I admire anyone who writes music, especially so prolifically and with such consistent quality as you do. No mate it's actually just after 9.30am Thursday morning here right now. Well and truly into a new day :)

ukuloonie
11-28-2012, 11:42 AM
Weekly is still the way it's going to be.
Multi-tracking well thats up to the host of the week,
but I don't think that it should be a week of multi tracking, an option maybe like Nongdams week when Austin1's created the song that won
it's a great skill that can be learned but it shouldn't be a major part of the seasons
if somebody wants to create one then a bonus track would be the most applicable place for it

I like Seasonista's
Season of the Ukulele 2013
Weekly Challenge 1-52

Garydavkra
11-28-2012, 11:46 AM
Okay, then let's pretend that I didn't bring up the subject of multi-tracking.:rolleyes: Everyone has made some very good points. I'm not a big technology fan myself when it comes to the arts. However, I'm not a big fan of competition either and I like the "challenge" word a lot better. :D

ukuloonie
11-28-2012, 11:49 AM
Garydavkra
Multitracking is a good point to bring up and needs to be dealt with.
Thanks for addressing in this forum.

TheOnlyUkeThatMatters
11-28-2012, 02:55 PM
Great discussion, Seasonistas. Thanks for getting it going, Drew. I have a couple thoughts.

The Seasons began as a contest, and I was definitely competitive during those first six weeks. Around the fourth week, though, I realized that the community we were creating was much more valuable than the prize. It felt like thirty (or so) of us were gathered around campfire sharing music and laughs---just a great time. The community has evolved as the Seasons have progressed, and it's still a great campfire. A sincere "thank you" to everyone whose sat by the fire so far.

The continuing challenge, other than learning and recording a song each week, of the Seasons is for each of us to do her or his best to maintain the supportive, welcoming atmosphere we all enjoy each week---to keep the fire going. To date, all of us have met that challenge; let's keep it up.

~dave~~wave~
11-28-2012, 05:29 PM
Thanks everybody for making me welcome.
I like the direction this discussion is going.

At first glance, the Seasons are a bit intimidating, not just for the overwhelming talent of the top players.
It can appear "cliquish" when folks know each others' real names, have a secret language, "unwritten rules," little in-jokes...

I appreciate the effort to articulate some history, guidelines and etiquette.




Bonus tracks
....no bonuses be posted before Wednesday so as to reduce the number risk of someone's chosen entry being preempted by a bonus track is a good idea - it won't eliminate it but it might just help.

This might be a worthy idea.
I'm afraid I stepped on some toes early in my participation.
I thought I was "taking the mickey" in a friendly way about a string of bonus tracks that went up in a short period, and it was misconstrued.

I recall another misunderstanding along those lines that I wasn't involved in, but feelings were hurt.

Some of us (like me) get excited when a theme "strikes a chord," and we can't wait to crank out multiple tunes that we love.

Geoff's idea could be a good compromise.
If folks have a bunch of bonus tracks, hold off posting them until Wednesday.
Maybe wait 12 or 24 hours between bonus track posts...

ukuloonie
11-28-2012, 05:49 PM
Thanks Dave Wave for your thoughts I like em
Discussion is going well so far, I couldn't think of all this stuff my self
so I like the collaborative effort
Keep them coming.

myrnaukelele
11-28-2012, 06:41 PM
But all in all you guys decide what is best, this many months of seasons has been a amazing journey and brought many smiles and many new friendships, love to you all guys n gals GROUP HUG
I agree ukuleledaveey - this is what makes the Seasons so much fun. Months of great music and interesting challenges and getting to know all these crazy uke players - and now a GROUP HUG :)

I too like the change to Challenge (as opposed to competition). And here's a thought- Announce the next week's theme on Saturday as we usually do (so folks can start thinking about their song for the coming week) but don't allow any video postings till 12:01AM Hawaiian time on Monday morning (is that Tuesday in Tasmania?). That way everyone gets a full week for their Season (but those of us who need a little extra time can spend Sunday practicing).
And thanks to ukuloonie for planning ahead!

peewee
11-28-2012, 07:20 PM
Hi All

Great thread. Thanks to Mr. Loonie for all your hard work, it is greatly appreciated.

I like this discussion, some great ideas. My personal feeling is that the Seasons have grown up very organically, with customs and traditions popping up almost on their own. It can be tricky to codify something that has flourished under a loose regimen.

I especially like the discussion on:
- being expressly welcoming and encouraging to rookies. This of course is what makes the Seasons sustainable. Rookie prize is a good idea. Just commenting and being nice isn't bad either.
- challenge vs contest

I am wary of
- scheduling restrictions and obligations. I live a very unpredictable professional life. Sometimes I have lots of free time, sometimes I have none, and I often don't get to know in advance. I am guilty of dropping out of my last week halfway through, for example. (sorry)
- eliminating prizes. I think prizeless weeks would be fine, but personally I cherish my Folk T shirt (random draw) and my Sparky's Beer cozy (something like a 3 way tie for 4th), and it's kind of fun to send off prizes. It's especially cool to get a package, it's a rare physical connection to the process.

As far as Bonus Tracks, I like to post them as soon as they're done. Otherwise I would probably chicken out. I also think they add to the conversation. But I could live with having to wait to Wednesday.

The original Bonus Track ( by Ukuleledaveey) was actually played in the same video as his main entry, back to back. That's how Seasonistas with Chutzpah do it.

strum on!

TCK
11-28-2012, 07:32 PM
I am wary of
- scheduling restrictions and obligations. I live a very unpredictable professional life. Sometimes I have lots of free time, sometimes I have none, and I often don't get to know in advance. I am guilty of dropping out of my last week halfway through, for example. (sorry)
- eliminating prizes. I think prizeless weeks would be fine, but personally I cherish my Folk T shirt (random draw) and my Sparky's Beer cozy (something like a 3 way tie for 4th), and it's kind of fun to send off prizes. It's especially cool to get a package, it's a rare physical connection to the process.

As far as Bonus Tracks, I like to post them as soon as they're done. Otherwise I would probably chicken out. I also think they add to the conversation. But I could live with having to wait to Wednesday.

The original Bonus Track ( by Ukuleledaveey) was actually played in the same video as his main entry, back to back. That's how Seasonistas with Chutzpah do it.

strum on!
Have to agree on these points- Sometimes life gets tedious and I am wary that rules that discourage people from hosting might end the seasons (came close for a minute or two this year anyway)
Prizes- I don't get them, but it sure was fun to send them to folks in the weeks I an Melissa did.
Bonus Tracks- I am not sure about anyone else, but I am here to have fun and learn new songs. I am guilty of doing a bonus a day...but when the urge strikes, it is great to sit down, play a song and put it out there. I have also binned a tune because someone made a version that far out-classed mine, but oh well, back we went to learn another. I think we ought to leave the bonus thing where it is because it is amusing as all get-out.

RichM
11-29-2012, 04:18 AM
Weekly is still the way it's going to be.
Multi-tracking well thats up to the host of the week,
but I don't think that it should be a week of multi tracking, an option maybe like Nongdams week when Austin1's created the song that won
it's a great skill that can be learned but it shouldn't be a major part of the seasons
if somebody wants to create one then a bonus track would be the most applicable place for it

I like Seasonista's
Season of the Ukulele 2013
Weekly Challenge 1-52

A little late to this conversation, but I fully support the host's option to allow multitracking. It's another creative outlet, and a great challenge (and isn't that the point?). I might also mention that I allowed multitracking back in week 26, and got a lot of great entries-- but the winner was someone who chose just voice and uke straight into the camera. Heartfelt performances will always excite, technology or no.

(Parenthetically: I find it ironic that some of us resist technology, when without scads of technology, a global forum like this would be impossible!)

Tootler
11-29-2012, 06:15 AM
Some interesting discussion. Following the discussion on bonus tracks, I can see the arguments on both sides but I do think a flurry of bonus tracks early in the week as sometimes happens can be offputting for newcomers which is why I made my suggestion. However, I feel that the best solution is to leave it up to the host but to include the suggestion as something to think about in the guidelines.

I think a similar thing applies to multitracking. Leave it up to the host.

As to contest vs. challenge, a challenge certainly removes the need to provide prizes or declare someone a winner when people of different levels of experience are participating. It would be useful to have some method of recognising performances of merit - which need not be the best in the week but could be when a poster produces something outstanding relative to his or her previous performances.

mattydee
11-29-2012, 06:37 AM
Hi All

Great thread. Thanks to Mr. Loonie for all your hard work, it is greatly appreciated.

I am wary of
- scheduling restrictions and obligations. I live a very unpredictable professional life. Sometimes I have lots of free time, sometimes I have none, and I often don't get to know in advance. I am guilty of dropping out of my last week halfway through, for example. (sorry)
- eliminating prizes. I think prizeless weeks would be fine, but personally I cherish my Folk T shirt (random draw) and my Sparky's Beer cozy (something like a 3 way tie for 4th), and it's kind of fun to send off prizes. It's especially cool to get a package, it's a rare physical connection to the process.

strum on!

I hadn't considered this aspect of prizes. I have won more than my fair share of them, and while I have always felt much more joy at the announcement of winning rather than getting the actual prize, I too fondly look on my prizes as remembrances of the win. And that surprise in the mailbox is pretty priceless. Perhaps the certificate thing would in fact be the best way to go, then - this way we still get the joy of receipt, but it can be up to the host to divvy out a first place or an everybody wins sort of deal... And the host can also be in charge of designing that week's certificate, so as to allow for some creativity.

I do agree that codifying too much could stifle us here... We've been doing just fine so far withy the organic growth of the thing. Discussion is good, for sure, and there are a couple of issues to sort out - timing of the announcement (I LOVE Myrna's idea about announcing saturday, but only entering Monday...) contest/challenge/prizes, bonus tracks...

Whoa! Bonus track idea! IF we get a separate forum, perhaps bonus tracks could be listed in a different thread entirely. This would clean up the main thread some, and eliminate some anxiety around someone doubling an entry with a bonus. I think the seasons already take up so much of the contests forum as it is, so doubling up threads might be tough as it stands - but with a dedicated board, maybe?

Wongo
11-29-2012, 06:53 AM
Why not start an open mic thread. Where people can enter one song per week. If you enter a song you get one vote. End of the week votes are counted up. Prize being that you get to choose theme of the next open mic. Simples. Have it as its own thing that runs along side the seasons? Just an idea. Feel free to shoot it down

mattydee
11-29-2012, 07:22 AM
Why not start an open mic thread. Where people can enter one song per week. If you enter a song you get one vote. End of the week votes are counted up. Prize being that you get to choose theme of the next open mic. Simples. Have it as its own thing that runs along side the seasons? Just an idea. Feel free to shoot it down

Um, once again, this winner of the last week hosts the next week idea will not work due to many reasons: the weekly challenge will be scuttled, people's real lives get in the way, some people love participating but don't want to host, etc etc etc... Besides, hosting requires a lot of work, and in some cases, planning, with guest judges etc.

I'm also not sure why we'd choose to purposefully dilute the seasons by starting a whole separate thread. But the joy of these boards is that if someone has an idea, they can run with it, and see how far it goes. That's how the seasons themselves started, after all.

If you'd like to do the open mic idea, Wongo, more power to you. But it seems redundant to me.

ukuloonie
11-29-2012, 08:25 AM
Um, once again, this winner of the last week hosts the next week idea will not work due to many reasons: the weekly challenge will be scuttled, people's real lives get in the way, some people love participating but don't want to host, etc etc etc... Besides, hosting requires a lot of work, and in some cases, planning, with guest judges etc.


yep Matt
This wont happen
good Idea though lives do get in the way it doesn't work for the seasons.


I hadn't considered this aspect of prizes. I have won more than my fair share of them, and while I have always felt much more joy at the announcement of winning rather than getting the actual prize, I too fondly look on my prizes as remembrances of the win. And that surprise in the mailbox is pretty priceless. Perhaps the certificate thing would in fact be the best way to go, then - this way we still get the joy of receipt, but it can be up to the host to divvy out a first place or an everybody wins sort of deal... And the host can also be in charge of designing that week's certificate, so as to allow for some creativity.

I do agree that codifying too much could stifle us here... We've been doing just fine so far withy the organic growth of the thing. Discussion is good, for sure, and there are a couple of issues to sort out - timing of the announcement (I LOVE Myrna's idea about announcing saturday, but only entering Monday...) contest/challenge/prizes, bonus tracks...

Whoa! Bonus track idea! IF we get a separate forum, perhaps bonus tracks could be listed in a different thread entirely. This would clean up the main thread some, and eliminate some anxiety around someone doubling an entry with a bonus. I think the seasons already take up so much of the contests forum as it is, so doubling up threads might be tough as it stands - but with a dedicated board, maybe?

Prizes up to the host, not expected, truly awesome to receive, makes the Ukulele Underground seem real instead of virtual, I like sending prizes too. so I feel connected.

So again up to the Host.

Bonus songs again up to the host, maybe a dedicated parallel thread would ease the seasons. But you goto love TCK he just loves to feel the spirit of the Seasons and his joy of music and restricting it to wednesday kinda dampens the joy.

Ok about myrna suggestion of announcing the contest but not being able to start posting till Sunday night Hawaiian time, still up for debate but sounds good.
Again most of this is simple and should be kept that way.

Hippie Dribble
11-29-2012, 08:38 AM
Perhaps the certificate thing would in fact be the best way to go, then - this way we still get the joy of receipt, but it can be up to the host to divvy out a first place or an everybody wins sort of deal... And the host can also be in charge of designing that week's certificate, so as to allow for some creativity.

I do agree that codifying too much could stifle us here... We've been doing just fine so far withy the organic growth of the thing.

Whoa! Bonus track idea! IF we get a separate forum, perhaps bonus tracks could be listed in a different thread entirely. This would clean up the main thread some, and eliminate some anxiety around someone doubling an entry with a bonus. I think the seasons already take up so much of the contests forum as it is, so doubling up threads might be tough as it stands - but with a dedicated board, maybe?

I like the idea of a certificate too. Sounds great! Something to hang with pride in the office maybe... :o

45896

Also I agree about the 'let's not over-think' and over legislate'. It is working pretty fine as it is. Too many rules will turn off newcomers. But as you say Matty, we just need some simple procedural guidelines and principles.

On the separate board thing, turns out seeso is all for it. Just needs to run it past Ryan, but looking positive there. If it does happen I can see the volume of entrants and general exposure growing exponentially. Very exciting!

ukuloonie
11-29-2012, 08:46 AM
'let's not over-think' and over legislate'. It is working pretty fine as it is. Too many rules will turn off newcomers. But as you say Matty, we just need some simple procedural guidelines and principles.

On the separate board thing, turns out seeso is all for it. Just needs to run it past Ryan, but looking positive there. If it does happen I can see the volume of entrants and general exposure growing exponentially. Very exciting!

Thanks Jon
I agree, no overthinking here, don't like that, too much work,and it's Great that we may have a separate board.

Tootler
11-29-2012, 09:17 AM
... And here's a thought- Announce the next week's theme on Saturday as we usually do (so folks can start thinking about their song for the coming week) but don't allow any video postings till 12:01AM Hawaiian time on Monday morning (is that Tuesday in Tasmania?). That way everyone gets a full week for their Season (but those of us who need a little extra time can spend Sunday practicing).
And thanks to ukuloonie for planning ahead!

Implications of Myrna's suggestion: 12.01 am Hawaii means

10.01 am in the UK and 11.01 am in the near continent (ie most of Western Europe)

Tasmania is a further 10hrs ahead of the UK so that would mean 8.01pm Monday. Of course, for the Americas it would mean the small hours of the morning

I like the idea, but we need to think carefully about the time implications as the community is a widely scattered one.

I suggest perhaps announce the theme earlier on Saturday and start the contest at Midnight Sunday (Hawaii). That would mean everyone has a chance to post something on Sunday should they wish.

Just a thought

ukuloonie
11-29-2012, 09:23 AM
Ok so Midnight Hawaii start contest and only post videos then.

ukuleledaveey
11-29-2012, 01:23 PM
(Parenthetically: I find it ironic that some of us resist technology, when without scads of technology, a global forum like this would be impossible!)

It is not a case of resisting, have you thought it may be some of us dont have the skills,knowledge,software,finances to multi track, and after all shouldnt this be about the ukulele and not peoples skills at video editing etc, just my thoughts.

As i said earlier if it aint broke it dont need fixing, i still feel bonuses should be allowed whenever, but if it gives some people the hump, then do as what seems best ,maybe on some of the issues it wouldnt be a bad idea to do some polls to get what the general consensus is, i think the seasons have been rolling on brilliantly as they are, but hey what do i know (not a lot)

ukuloonie
11-29-2012, 03:17 PM
Ukuleledaveey
Bonuses will be allowed whatever, we cant stop them they are here to stay.

TCK
11-29-2012, 03:25 PM
ukuleledaveey
bonuses will be allowed whatever, we cant stop them they are here to stay.
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Barbablanca
11-29-2012, 11:38 PM
Dare I wax heretical about the bonuses? This is just an idea, open to be rejected out of hand or pondered on.

As the site already has a video section, why can't bonuses be posted there and a link (not a full video link taking up space on the main "seasons" pages) be made to the bonus video? It would certainly ensure that the new Seasons section is kept for entries for the seasons only - and I am not averse to that idea personally. If the new section (and the idea of a challenge rather than a competition) really does cause more people to post, then each week might become hugely unwieldy. Already it is getting difficult to find the time to listen to all the videos, if the new plans generate more.... and on top of that bonuses..... we might just kill the goose that lays the golden seasoned eggs.

Here endeth the heresy ;)

pabrizzer
11-30-2012, 12:12 AM
On the issue of bonus tracks - I think more of these decisions should be left up to the host. Let them decide what sort of week they want.

Wongo
11-30-2012, 01:12 AM
When can we put our names forward to host in 2013?

ukuleledaveey
11-30-2012, 01:52 AM
On the issue of bonus tracks - I think more of these decisions should be left up to the host. Let them decide what sort of week they want.

Good point :) and while i am here, i think having a separate thread or what ever for bonuses could get confusing, all i simply do nowadays is just go the playlist to view and it is also where i leave my comments now as to de clutter the main thread, but thats just my thoughts, i think it could get messy having a thread for challenge and then a seperate thread for bonuses, if more people viewed using the youtube playlists they may find it easier (hopefully) andthegood thing with using the youtube playlist, is if you leave comments on entries (like myself) you know where you have got upto as the vids you have seen have "Watched next to them"

Im pretty much cool with what ever way this flows, unless something is profoundly against what i percieve i may flare up :biglaugh:

GinnyT11
11-30-2012, 03:23 AM
I agree that bonus songs ought to stay in the main thread, with links for the two playlists on the first post.

In addition, I prefer that bonuses for a Season be recorded just for that week's challenge, with a verbal intro saying so.

~dave~~wave~
11-30-2012, 05:50 AM
When can we put our names forward to host in 2013?

http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?69828-52-weeks-of-the-Seasons-of-the-Ukulele-all-Filled-up


http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?69918-Year-2-of-the-Seasons-of-the-Ukulele

Hippie Dribble
11-30-2012, 08:26 AM
Dare I wax heretical about the bonuses? This is just an idea, open to be rejected out of hand or pondered on.

As the site already has a video section, why can't bonuses be posted there and a link (not a full video link taking up space on the main "seasons" pages) be made to the bonus video? It would certainly ensure that the new Seasons section is kept for entries for the seasons only - and I am not averse to that idea personally. If the new section (and the idea of a challenge rather than a competition) really does cause more people to post, then each week might become hugely unwieldy. Already it is getting difficult to find the time to listen to all the videos, if the new plans generate more.... and on top of that bonuses..... we might just kill the goose that lays the golden seasoned eggs.

Here endeth the heresy ;)

Berni I agree with you. These threads are so full now it's a real job to negotiate them. Having the weeks playlists kept distinct and linked in post #1 has sure helped a lot, but I like the idea of posting bonus songs in a separate thread once the seasons (hopefully) have their own board.

uke4ia
11-30-2012, 10:55 AM
In addition, I prefer that bonuses for a Season be recorded just for that week's challenge, with a verbal intro saying so.

I don't agree with this. If you want to require it be done that way for a season you host, you can. But if I've already done a song that fits the theme perfectly well, I don't see that it should be necessary to duplicate the video anew. For example, in Garden week you did "April Showers". The next week I hosted the Rain week. It would have been perfectly appropriate for you to enter the song you just did a week before as a bonus song for Rain week. All that needs to be done with bonus songs is stick them into the bonus song playlist, they don't necessarily need to be commented on.

mattydee
11-30-2012, 10:58 AM
I don't agree with this. If you want to require it be done that way for a season you host, you can. But if I've already done a song that fits the theme perfectly well, I don't see that it should be necessary to duplicate the video anew. For example, in Garden week you did "April Showers". The next week I hosted the Rain week. It would have been perfectly appropriate for you to enter the song you just did a week before as a bonus song for Rain week. All that needs to be done with bonus songs is stick them into the bonus song playlist, they don't necessarily need to be commented on.

This. :agree:

ukuloonie
11-30-2012, 11:02 AM
Ok sounds good. Uke4ia

GinnyT11
11-30-2012, 11:16 AM
I don't agree with this. If you want to require it be done that way for a season you host, you can. But if I've already done a song that fits the theme perfectly well, I don't see that it should be necessary to duplicate the video anew. For example, in Garden week you did "April Showers". The next week I hosted the Rain week. It would have been perfectly appropriate for you to enter the song you just did a week before as a bonus song for Rain week. All that needs to be done with bonus songs is stick them into the bonus song playlist, they don't necessarily need to be commented on.

Okay, that works, with the host only commenting on the entries. (No tone in this sentence. :) )


If we get a separate Forum section for Seasons challenges, and if we go with separate threads for entries and bonuses, will this be enough to show they're separate?

Seasons of the Ukulele Section
2013 49th Week -- Come to Dinner theme -- hosted thread
2013 49th Week -- Dinner theme bonus songs

.

myrnaukelele
11-30-2012, 03:39 PM
Okay, that works, so the host only comments on the entries.
s
During the week I hosted life just got so busy that I ended up commenting only on the entries (and maybe the first few bonuses- I got overwhelmed). Everybody still had fun which is what it's all about.

ukuloonie
11-30-2012, 03:47 PM
These are just guidelines really at the end of the day
it's just nice really when the host comments,
But we all know life gets in the way.
And often the week tends to have a life of its own anyways
and people seasonistas have tend to comment more as well I have noticed.
So we just keep it as it is on that one.

coolkayaker1
11-30-2012, 03:50 PM
Every other post on this thread is about life getting in the way, it's a wonder you all have time for being a Seasonista at all!
:D

uke4ia
11-30-2012, 04:11 PM
Every other post on this thread is about life getting in the way, it's a wonder you all have time for being a Seasonista at all!
:D

What's this "you Seasonista" stuff?

ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!
ONE OF US!


:smileybounce:

myrnaukelele
12-01-2012, 12:52 PM
Every other post on this thread is about life getting in the way, it's a wonder you all have time for being a Seasonista at all!
:D

Ha! We are committed ukulele nerds. :music::music::music:

Tootler
12-01-2012, 01:16 PM
Every other post on this thread is about life getting in the way, it's a wonder you all have time for being a Seasonista at all!
:D

That's the problem. Life has this habit of getting in the way of the important things in life. :music:

J-Peg
12-01-2012, 04:19 PM
My quick $0.02 -

I feel very strongly that we shouldn't over-regulate this. Even if they are just guidelines. I personally love the diversity of the seasons and would hate to see them forced into a strict format. Multitracking? Sure, every once in a while. Prizes? Yeah, if the host this week wants. Or not if they don't. It's all good. The really cool thing is, if you don't like it, wait a week. Or host one yourself and do it your way.

When in doubt, leave it up to that week's host.

ukuloonie
12-01-2012, 05:01 PM
I agree with you jpeg, I like the diversity as well.
It's just really a check to see what needs tweaking, like when to release the new week of the seasons. which is easier,
what do you think could need tweaking etc. new stickies or have own Seasons lounge.
Change contest to challenge. all in all it's gonna stay the same seasons anyways
because it has worked so far.
The hosts have discretion as to what they want to do within reason.

ukuleledaveey
12-02-2012, 12:36 AM
:agree: spot on :)
My quick $0.02 -

I feel very strongly that we shouldn't over-regulate this. Even if they are just guidelines. I personally love the diversity of the seasons and would hate to see them forced into a strict format. Multitracking? Sure, every once in a while. Prizes? Yeah, if the host this week wants. Or not if they don't. It's all good. The really cool thing is, if you don't like it, wait a week. Or host one yourself and do it your way.

When in doubt, leave it up to that week's host.

Tootler
12-03-2012, 12:42 AM
Pabrizzer has made some interesting points which seem very relevant to the seasons in the "how to hold a contest (http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?16321-How-to-hold-a-contest/page3)" thread. Worth a look.

seeso
12-03-2012, 10:46 AM
Have posted about this on the mods board. Waiting to hear from seeso on it...

The addition to the boards have been approved by the home office in Hawaii. New sub-forum can be found here:

http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?47

uke4ia
12-03-2012, 11:00 AM
The addition to the boards have been approved by the home office in Hawaii. New sub-forum can be found here:

http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?47

All right, now we're down in the sub-basement. I'm glad Jon put some paneling up!

ukuloonie
12-03-2012, 11:04 AM
WooHoo great,
this is good news

GinnyT11
12-03-2012, 11:40 AM
Yippee-doodle-day! Our own playhouse---how exciting!

If you haven't already, please join the new Seasonistas group under Community. (Anyone who's posted one song in one Season is a Seasonista!)
As of today, we have 43 UUbies with their hands stamped, but I know of at least 20 more Seasonistas we'd like to have at that party. :cool:

Tootler
12-03-2012, 01:02 PM
The addition to the boards have been approved by the home office in Hawaii. New sub-forum can be found here:

http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?47

That's utterly brilliant. Thanks to Jon and all the mods for arranging this.