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pabrizzer
12-18-2012, 10:09 AM
Have just seen some new members videos posted in the Videos and Links part of the forum.
They were fantastic and would have gone down really well in the SEASONS.
Many 'Senior' Members rarely or never participate in the Seasons.
When the move was made to make this a Sub-Forum I was disappointed that it was not made a totally different Forum without the use of the word 'competition'.
I haven't been around that long but feel more that I am sharing my clips with friend's rather than competing.
I know that there is the Videos and Links part so no one is missing out and not being able to share because of the "C" word.
I guess it's because I'd like to see as many Seasonistas as possible.
Wondering what others think.
Cheers, Briz.

ukeeku
12-18-2012, 10:20 AM
after running a few contests and helping with the seasons, and participating, I have found that many people will submit more videos than they normally would other wise. I know that when I enter, I do it in support of the person running the contest. I have no illusions of winning, I just find it fun.
Also keep in mind that some really good/ Professional players may not do the seasons since they don't feel it is fair to the others. That being said.. Craig Chee has entered a few seasons in support but has no expectation of winning since we all know he is a professional touring player.
this is how I see it, be kind rewind

Hippie Dribble
12-18-2012, 10:32 AM
I don't think so.

Sure, some people don't like 'competitions', but some do, and there is room at the table for everyone. There is a board for members to post videos to share if that is there wont, and there is a board for competitions. But they are not mutually exclusive. Though the seasons has developed it's own culture, it still is, like it or not, a competition. That said, it is the most inclusive and encouraging, non-threatening and welcoming competition I have ever seen. It wouldn't take a new member long to even have a cursory browse of these threads to realise that. There have been many, many posts on different boards in different threads from members competing in this competition right throughout the year extolling the virtues of this comp and encouraging others to join in the fun so most are aware of the 'non-competitive' environment here.

When the seasons started there were probably only about 15 members taking part regularly. Over the year it has grown and we would have had well over 50 members contributing at different times. And it continues to grow, to the point where it now has it's own sub-forum. Just the way it is Briz, I wouldn't over-think it. Don't forget too, that the UU is a big site with many boards to negotiate, it would take new members some time to even become aware of this rolling competition and this unique lil' sub-culture. Also, the vast majority of members don't post vids at all, anywhere. I certainly don't believe people are being discouraged and turned off by the "c" word.

chrimess
12-18-2012, 10:51 AM
... If you don't enter, you can't win...
... The opposite is not necessarily true.

RichM
12-18-2012, 11:37 AM
While the Seasons are technically a competition, I don't know how many of us think about it that way. I enjoy making videos, but I have no illusions of ever winning anything, unless it's one of the random drawing weeks. It's just a fun activity for me, and I think for most of us.

pabrizzer
12-18-2012, 11:43 AM
I don't think so.

....... And it continues to grow, to the point where it now has it's own sub-forum. Just the way it is Briz, I wouldn't over-think it. Don't forget too, that the UU is a big site with many boards to negotiate, it would take new members some time to even become aware of this rolling competition and this unique lil' sub-culture. Also, the vast majority of members don't post vids at all, anywhere. I certainly don't believe people are being discouraged and turned off by the "c" word.

I saw that you made one new poster aware (invitation) of the Seasons after their clip was posted. I did the same. I also saw a new Seasonista enter the fray this season.
But I don't believe I am over thinking, just musing and asking others to do the same. It was only just made a Sub-Forum so things can obviously change.
I know it's a big site. I went and played in the General Discussion board for a while until this was posted by a member -
"I am sitting here right now with a loaded gun. It is doing nothing. Now...If I was to pick it up and squeeze the trigger...then it will fire.":eek:
I quickly scurried back to the safety of the music side of the site.:)

To those who have taken the time to post -
Thanks for adding your thoughts and opinions.
Cheers, Briz.

pabrizzer
12-18-2012, 11:51 AM
While the Seasons are technically a competition, I don't know how many of us think about it that way. I enjoy making videos, but I have no illusions of ever winning anything, unless it's one of the random drawing weeks. It's just a fun activity for me, and I think for most of us.

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That is exactly my point Rich. "It's just a fun activity for me, and I think for most of us"
But we think that way because we came and put our toe in the water.

Hippie Dribble
12-18-2012, 12:24 PM
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That is exactly my point Rich. "It's just a fun activity for me, and I think for most of us"
But we think that way because we came and put our toe in the water.
and that is my view. It is continuing to grow only because more and more people are doing exactly that. There's no issue. If it aint broke...

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.

Dan Uke
12-18-2012, 12:24 PM
It's also about timing and topic...Lots of people are busy during the holiday seasons and certain topics are more appealing to the general audience.

Take my advice, don't do top 100 hits of 2012 if you want lots of partipants!!! LOL

ksiegel
12-18-2012, 01:53 PM
I've never had any illusion about winning one of the seasons - I simply enter (when I've got the opportunity to make a video) because I think the Seasons challenge me to try things I wouldn't so on my own. (Austin's percussion week, for example.) There are also weeks I've had time, but sat out, because none of the music appealed to me.

All that being said, my socks were blown completely off of my feet - leaving the shoes in place - when I won one of the seasons. A season I was not going to enter, until I remembered a song from my younger days that never failed to bring a tear to my eyes, no matter how cynical I was, am, or will become.

So my take on it is this: The Seasons contest isn't with other UU members, it is a competition with myself, to improve my playing, repertoire, and comfort in front of a camera. One of these days, that might even translate to getting me comfortable playing solo in front of an audience.



-Kurt

(Practicing a couple of songs, hoping I get a chance to record them.)

austin1
12-18-2012, 02:20 PM
I'm with Jon, if it's not broke, don't fix it. Pabrizzer, you only joined in September, so you've missed the vast majority of the seasons, but they've worked perfectly, brilliantly, amazingly well since February. Why mess with a machine that's great just the way it is? The seasons are more than just a weekly contest, they're a happy, ever-expanding, super-supportive community, and it seems a little unfair you've only just got here and want to change something amazing just to fit your personal preferences :( If you want to make your own rules, host your own week, I'm sure lots of people, including myself, would be happy to enter. And if you just want to share videos, without the theme or the potential prizes, there's a sub-forum for that. That's the good thing about UU, there are sub-forums for everything!

pabrizzer
12-18-2012, 03:18 PM
I'm with Jon, if it's not broke, don't fix it. Pabrizzer, you only joined in September, so you've missed the vast majority of the seasons, but they've worked perfectly, brilliantly, amazingly well since February. Why mess with a machine that's great just the way it is? The seasons are more than just a weekly contest, they're a happy, ever-expanding, super-supportive community, and it seems a little unfair you've only just got here and want to change something amazing just to fit your personal preferences :( If you want to make your own rules, host your own week, I'm sure lots of people, including myself, would be happy to enter. And if you just want to share videos, without the theme or the potential prizes, there's a sub-forum for that. That's the good thing about UU, there are sub-forums for everything!
Well I may not have been here when the Seasons were done but I certainly haven't missed them. I have gone back and looked extensively through the play lists and the winners. And enjoyed doing so.
And it really is nothing to do with my personal preferences. I am quite happy to be part of the Seasons even though there is an element of competition.
My original post seems to be taken in a strange way.
Confident, outspoken people will certainly not be put off and participate in this enjoyable part of the site.
But my original question is about others....
And changes were recently made (such as the Sub-Forum) which is why I raised the question now.

And you know my original post proposed no changes just merely asked a question.
So I'm just not sure where this came from
"and it seems a little unfair you've only just got here and want to change something amazing just to fit your personal preferences :( "

Hippie Dribble
12-18-2012, 03:38 PM
To be honest Briz, I'm still not sure what the actual point of the thread is.

It seems we have discussed all these issues ad-nauseum re the competitive or otherwise nature of the seasons, and of it being encouraging and inclusive of members new and old.

As Tina said, there is a board to accommodate all tastes. There is a contests board because some folks like the challenge of contests and it also gives those who hold them the opportunity to give back to the community with the offer of prizes. Those who don't like competitions don't enter. So to answer your question: yes. and no.

We all know the seasons thing has evolved well beyond that basic dichotomy, as has been discussed in a number of other threads.

pabrizzer
12-18-2012, 03:41 PM
Let me be specific.
The Seasons was recently made a Sub-Forum within the UU Competition Board.
I was here when that happened.
It is that recent change that my question refers to.
So I'm having trouble with the "If it ain't broke ...."
It wasn't broke and a change was made.
I thought there was an opportunity there to make it it's own board.
Not change any aspect of how it was/is run or anything else.
And when you look at the Seasons they haven't been as static as is suggested. There was originally one host and now every host makes their own changes. It's GREAT.

pabrizzer
12-18-2012, 03:55 PM
As Tina said, there is a board to accommodate all tastes.

I fully understand that and did acknowledge this in my original post
"I know that there is the Videos and Links part so no one is missing out and not being able to share because of the "C" word."

Hippie Dribble
12-18-2012, 03:58 PM
It was made a sub-forum for the simple reason that all the seasons threads were totally clogging up the contest board and burying all other folks' contests. That's the only change that was made.

Now, it is it's own board for all intents and purposes, but it is still a contest and I don't detect any groundswell of opinion for change on that front.

So, again to answer your question: yes, and no. For those that don't like contests there are other boards for their vids.

pabrizzer
12-18-2012, 04:11 PM
Jon,
My last words on the subject I promise -
But sometimes the Season has not been a Competition it has been Raffle or Lottery.
Did not intend to ruffle feathers so.
Cheers, Briz.

Uke Whisperer
12-19-2012, 02:45 AM
Competition is known to be a driving force for improvement. Those who don't think so can simply share their abilities by individual posts or organized "show and tells".

This thread reminds me of the old saying reference sporting activities: "It's not important who wins or loses, it's how you play the game!" If so, why keep score?

(yes, I do understand and agree with why change was made, "just saying".)

wee_ginga_yin
12-19-2012, 09:44 AM
If I log in with my phone I get the number of people reading each forum.
I would say that consistently the "contests" have a low count 5-8 usually
whereas the "Video and links" will have between 20-30 and the "Uke Talk"
seems to top the list, hovering around 100.

So I get the impression that more people want to talk about Ukuleles than
go to the trouble of making a video of actually playing.

I have also noticed that even though a video is posted to the "contests"
it is also often posted to the "Video links" and I suspect this is because perhaps
it is to get more exposure... or to let other people know that the "seasons"
exist.

Before the seasons came along I was always waiting for a new challenge to arrive.
and when they did they would always run for an extended period of time, and
sometimes they seemed few and far between. And the prizes were usually substantial.
Mim's Eddy Finn Uke springs to mind. Whereas often the prizes for the seasons
have been trinkets (and I do love my trinkets)

Then the new kid on the block arrived, and the "seasons" were for one week only,
and there was a rapid turn over of themes, hosts, and prizes, and the poor old
"contests" seemed to be left eating the dirt from the wheel spins of the "seasons"

So to my mind moving the seasons to a separate sub forum might give the old
"contests" a breather to start doing things at a leasurely and sedate pace once again.

But regardless of how things operate the seasons will remain a watering hole for
a few select beasts and the majority of the herd will stay away... at least that is how
I interoperate the numbers.

Dan Uke
12-21-2012, 02:37 PM
I have also noticed that even though a video is posted to the "contests"
it is also often posted to the "Video links" and I suspect this is because perhaps
it is to get more exposure... or to let other people know that the "seasons"
exist.


I'm curious myself on why people do that? Letting others know about the seasons seems like the modest answer

Freeda
12-21-2012, 02:47 PM
While the Seasons are technically a competition, I don't know how many of us think about it that way. I enjoy making videos, but I have no illusions of ever winning anything, unless it's one of the random drawing weeks. It's just a fun activity for me, and I think for most of us.

Agreed. It's more like a weekly challenge.

CountryMouse
01-02-2013, 11:07 AM
Have just seen some new members videos posted in the Videos and Links part of the forum.
They were fantastic and would have gone down really well in the SEASONS.
Many 'Senior' Members rarely or never participate in the Seasons.
When the move was made to make this a Sub-Forum I was disappointed that it was not made a totally different Forum without the use of the word 'competition'.
I haven't been around that long but feel more that I am sharing my clips with friend's rather than competing.
I know that there is the Videos and Links part so no one is missing out and not being able to share because of the "C" word.
I guess it's because I'd like to see as many Seasonistas as possible.
Wondering what others think.
Cheers, Briz.

I'm fairly new to the Seasons, and I'd rather see it as just a sharing and fun thing to be involved in than a competition. I agree, that more people would tend to get involved if it weren't a competition.

Just thought of something else: I think of the Seasons as a prompt (like writing prompts for bloggers and such). It gets you to thinking of what the next song/video is that you're going to do when you can't seem to come up with something yourself.

CountryMouse

CountryMouse
01-02-2013, 11:31 AM
I have also noticed that even though a video is posted to the "contests"
it is also often posted to the "Video links" and I suspect this is because perhaps
it is to get more exposure... or to let other people know that the "seasons"
exist.


I'm curious myself on why people do that? Letting others know about the seasons seems like the modest answer

I've just started posting in both places because people who know me thought I had totally stopped making videos because they don't check the Seasons or competitions boards, but they do check the Videos and Links board.

CountryMouse

ksiegel
01-02-2013, 01:14 PM
I've just started posting in both places because people who know me thought I had totally stopped making videos because they don't check the Seasons or competitions boards, but they do check the Videos and Links board.

CountryMouse

I often post in both places because when I only post in the Seasons section, I rarely get any comments at all. Maybe one or two, whereas the Videos and Links posts usually garner 4 or 5 comments. (The current week is the exception - I've had 4 YouTube comments, and at least 3 in the Seasons, but not a one in the Videos and Links section.)


-Kurt

TheOnlyUkeThatMatters
01-02-2013, 02:12 PM
Interesting question and discussion here. I think the contests encourage as many people as they discourage. I don't know if I would've ever made a uke video without the extra incentive of possibly winning a prize. That being said, now that I'm in the habit of posting videos, I plan to keep at it as long as I have time and energy. The Seasons' weekly challenges are perfect for me---they force me to make time and save energy to learn a new song (sometimes a new style or even a new language) every week.

Happily, the Seasons have continued to attract new participants as the months have passed. If no one new shows up for a month or two, we might need to worry a little. Even then, a little "promotion" in a few other forums (Uke Talk, Videos & Links, and Ukulele Beginners spring to mind) should quickly get more people interested and, hopefully, involved.

Tootler
01-03-2013, 04:48 AM
I often post in both places because when I only post in the Seasons section, I rarely get any comments at all. Maybe one or two, whereas the Videos and Links posts usually garner 4 or 5 comments. (The current week is the exception - I've had 4 YouTube comments, and at least 3 in the Seasons, but not a one in the Videos and Links section.)


-Kurt

I'm the opposite. I rarely get any responses from posts in the videos forum but usually get a few from the seasons.

Dan Uke
01-03-2013, 06:45 AM
I often post in both places because when I only post in the Seasons section, I rarely get any comments at all. Maybe one or two, whereas the Videos and Links posts usually garner 4 or 5 comments. (The current week is the exception - I've had 4 YouTube comments, and at least 3 in the Seasons, but not a one in the Videos and Links section.)


-Kurt

Very interesting Kurt...I believe the community aspect of the season is to post videos and to encourage others by making positive comments about their videos. The reason I have not made videos for the last couple of seasons is not because I can't make a video but because I could not and did not feel like making comments to people's awesome videos. Personally, I felt very selfish to post my video without encouraging others...It's easy to comment on only a few of the "Best Videos" but every video is good.

ukuleledaveey
01-03-2013, 08:39 AM
Very interesting Kurt...I believe the community aspect of the season is to post videos and to encourage others by making positive comments about their videos. The reason I have not made videos for the last couple of seasons is not because I can't make a video but because I could not and did not feel like making comments to people's awesome videos. Personally, I felt very selfish to post my video without encouraging others...It's easy to comment on only a few of the "Best Videos" but every video is good.

Thats very noble of you Dan (hope that doesnt sound patronizing, im being sincere :) ) i wouldnt worry about it mate if you dont comment on every video, people only leave comments by choice, there is no rule that you have to leave a comment, there are people who have never said thanks or acknowledged when i have left comments, but it is perfectly fine, i am not going to lose sleep or get the hump, it is my choice to leave comments if i so choose to, dont not take part because you feel obligated to leave comments, (Hopefully) no one will take it personnel, well they shouldnt, jump back in mate.

Garydavkra
01-03-2013, 10:17 AM
It seems to me that the issue isn't necessarily with any forum but, with the word "contest". I feel that the world's opinion of contests, in general is changing. I saw several stories within the last year of an athlete stopping to help another athlete that was either hurt or unable to continue. That athlete gave up his or her chance to win because, he or she unselfishly helped another. This forum site is probably one of the best sites that I have seen as far as people behaving themselves. It definitely has the Aloha spirit. We say that we are one big happy family and that it's more about fun and friendship than anything else. That's the Aloha spirit. But then we use the word "contest" which goes against the grain as far as I see it. I think what we are seeing is the stirring of Aloha spirit. So yes, I think the word "contest" does turn people off and keep them away but, I don't think we can have it both ways.

I also just posted a new "challenge" on the contest board and I purposely used the word "challenge" instead of "contest" in hopes of attracting more people.

Dan Uke
01-03-2013, 11:14 AM
Thats very noble of you Dan (hope that doesnt sound patronizing, im being sincere :) ) i wouldnt worry about it mate if you dont comment on every video, people only leave comments by choice, there is no rule that you have to leave a comment, there are people who have never said thanks or acknowledged when i have left comments, but it is perfectly fine, i am not going to lose sleep or get the hump, it is my choice to leave comments if i so choose to, dont not take part because you feel obligated to leave comments, (Hopefully) no one will take it personnel, well they shouldnt, jump back in mate.

Dave, you are a fountain of encouragements and sorry for not saying thank you. I don't say it because it appears on your youtube mail and makes you look at my video again. To prove that I appreciate your posts, I looked up lilt since I had no idea what it meant! LOL

ukuleledaveey
01-03-2013, 02:26 PM
Dave, you are a fountain of encouragements and sorry for not saying thank you. I don't say it because it appears on your youtube mail and makes you look at my video again. To prove that I appreciate your posts, I looked up lilt since I had no idea what it meant! LOL
Thanks Dan, but seriously you dont have to thank me you have been kind enought to take the time to leave comments yourslef which i greatly appreciate, i know life can get in the way and not everyone is inclined to leave comments, i personally love to receive comments to me it is my prize (as lets be honest i aint never gonna win a week). But i appreciate your thanks, i was just trying to say please dont feel obligated to comment and dont let it stop you entering, i think we all get on pretty well on here and any mishaps tend to get sorted pretty quickly and a group hug soon happens :) look forward to seeing you back in the seasons soon ,take care and all the best :)

costaricadave
01-03-2013, 02:32 PM
I think some shouldn't share their videos....hahaha

GinnyT11
01-03-2013, 02:59 PM
I think some shouldn't share their videos....hahaha

I think you're talking about me. Thanks for your joke, Dave.

Please post something for us next week---I'm hosting and I look forward to seeing your video. :)

costaricadave
01-03-2013, 06:13 PM
hahaha...Only kidding guys...Please keep making them!! I won't torture you with any from me...hahaha

ksiegel
01-04-2013, 04:54 AM
Very interesting Kurt...I believe the community aspect of the season is to post videos and to encourage others by making positive comments about their videos. The reason I have not made videos for the last couple of seasons is not because I can't make a video but because I could not and did not feel like making comments to people's awesome videos. Personally, I felt very selfish to post my video without encouraging others...It's easy to comment on only a few of the "Best Videos" but every video is good.

I've also been poor at making comments - I think mostly because I try to batch them, and then get sidetracked before I'm done, and forget to. (I did just see that multi-quote message thing though - have to try it out...)

Overall, the quality of the videos is so good, I can't always think of anything to say.

The only problems I have with videos is when I'm watching overdubbed/ highly produced results that I may like, but can't do. And no matter how much I like most of them, I think they are a completely different category than the straight recording of person/people with instrument(s), so I couldn't/wouldn't compare the straight recording with the highly produced result anyway.

UkeyDave
01-04-2013, 06:30 AM
I love the seasons and I do think sometimes we tend to over analyse this stuff.
For me I take what I want from the seasons and leave what I don't behind.
What do I get from the seasons?
1/ Inspiration (Hey I love that song, I guess I'll try it)
2/ Tips on technique (I love Krabbers technique, I think I'll try and replicate that)
3/ A right good laugh (TCK not taking himself too seriously and producing some great videos and Sillydave doing his Popeye impersonation)
4/ Jealousy (Jeez that Tasmanian guy is just too good I'll never be able to replicate THAT.)
5/ Annoyance (I'll keep that one to myself)
6/ AND FINALLY The joy of sharing music (Everyone)
Most of all its just plain and simple fun. LONG LIVE THE SEASONS.

So lets not have too many ......... :rulez:

:cool: