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Yestyn The Great
01-19-2013, 03:01 PM
I just want to know if I'm alone on this. I don't trust my tuners. I've tried several Snarks, a Lanikai, a Kala and a few others, and after tuning I never find my uke to be fully in tune. It is close but not close enough. The same applies to my violin. I now don't even carry a tuner with me. I just tune fully by ear. Dose anybody else have this problem?

OldePhart
01-19-2013, 03:10 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to say that I think of it as a problem but, yes, I can tune more accurately by ear if the room is quiet. However, I find electronic tuners are only far enough off to bug me if I'm playing an instrument with doubled string courses (I.e. mandolin).

remy26
01-19-2013, 03:14 PM
I wish that I had that problem. I can't tune by ear worth a darn. Sure, I can tell if it's out by a whole step and maybe even a half-step on a good day, but I'd be lost without my tuner. I'm sure that it will come with time, but I'm not there quite yet.

Plainsong
01-19-2013, 03:22 PM
I have a Peterson Stroboclip, so I trust it very very much. If I use my ears, my ears tend to insist that a bit sharp on all strings equally... Is the the new in-tune. That's without having a pitch to guide me. My mind's ear just... Goes sharp a bit. :(

OldePhart
01-19-2013, 03:33 PM
I have a Peterson Stroboclip, so I trust it very very much. If I use my ears, my ears tend to insist that a bit sharp on all strings equally... Is the the new in-tune. That's without having a pitch to guide me. My mind's ear just... Goes sharp a bit. :(

Oh, I definitely need a ref to tune the first string to! I've got a strobocllip, too, which was how I realized that my ear really is more precise than other tuners and it wasn't just wishful thinking. I.e. I can tune to "in tune" with a snark and the stroboclip will show some movement but if I tune one string with the stroboclip then I can ear tune the others and they will be in tune with the stroboclip.

Unfortunately, my stroboclip eats batteries even when it is off so I usually only fool with it when doing a setup.

Katz-in-Boots
01-19-2013, 03:34 PM
I've had this problem for years & thought it was just me. Cello, harp (yeah, try getting 39 strings all in tune at once) and now ukulele.
I like my little Fender clip on, it is very positive to use. It's just that sometimes I do not believe what it tells me.

TheOnlyUkeThatMatters
01-19-2013, 04:11 PM
I only trust my ears for tuning. A tuner is handy for getting close, though, and can be indispensible in a loud room.

Kem
01-19-2013, 04:42 PM
My favourite bit is: oh, look, the string's in tune. No, wait, it's flat. No, wait, it's in tune again. No...sharp. No...flat. Sharp! In tune! (Long pause...) ...Flat?

And this is without me adjusting the tuners at all. (Yes, I realise the sound decays. The weird bit is when the tuner jumps from sharp to flat to sharp again for no discernible reason.)

Yestyn The Great
01-19-2013, 04:42 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to say that I think of it as a problem but, yes, I can tune more accurately by ear if the room is quiet. However, I find electronic tuners are only far enough off to bug me if I'm playing an instrument with doubled string courses (I.e. mandolin).

No, your right, it's not a problem, it's actually just one less thing to carry around.

Captain Simian
01-19-2013, 05:07 PM
I've noticed that when the battery is starting to go out on my tuner it's accuracy can be questionable. Once I replace the battery everything is OK. Oh, I have few of the Planet Waves mini clip on tuners and I like them a lot.

Plainsong
01-19-2013, 05:23 PM
Oh yeah if I have a pitch for one string, I'm fine. But that's after a lifetime of practice...not on uke. I kinda agree and kinda don't about when to care about pitch. I was trained up that you should always do and sound the best you can.. So yeah, I care if I'm in tune, and I prefer to play with others that are generally trying the best they can at a song and who want to be better. It doesn't mean they have to be awesome because I suck. :) But just the wanting to be better... That makes it worth being there, and makes it fun. But I also believe that there's a point where you're stressing too much and it isn't fun. It SHOULD be fun. And I think that if you don't trust your ear, that's ok. Maybe you will, maybe you won't... But tuners are pretty good nowadays. :)

stevepetergal
01-19-2013, 05:34 PM
I trust my tuners. They are consistent. When the batteries get low, the light gets dim but the tuning is the same. I tune by ear most of the time, but when I use an electronic tuner, I usually just tune up and go. If I tweak, it's for something specific (think "well tempered" as opposed to equal). I believe the cheap chromatic tuners out there are most reliable and are able to get an ukulele as in tune as possible with very little fuss.

26tiki
01-19-2013, 08:37 PM
Fantastic advice.. Thanks;)

quiltingshirley
01-20-2013, 06:28 AM
We have a Kala, Kala with metrodome, Kamaka, and a Shark(sp) and find we only use the cheaper Kala. Even with new batteries they are never exactly the same and I like the sound when it's tuned to the Kala best. I can't really hear the out of tune ukes at our jams cause we either sing or all play loud -- I think it's the coffee drinks we're downing. I do hear it when folks are in different keys than the song. My first thought is always, "I'm really out of tune" rather than do I have the right key.

OldePhart
01-20-2013, 09:18 AM
No, your right, it's not a problem, it's actually just one less thing to carry around.

The problem is that I need a reference to tune to for the first string - my absolute pitch sense is fairly poor - also, if there is a lot of noise in the room, fugetaboutit, need the tuner. :)

Tudorp
01-20-2013, 11:14 AM
I use a snark. I trust them to get me close, but use my "ear" to tune them correctly.

mm stan
01-20-2013, 11:22 AM
I use a cherub Wst 500c

like others have said to get close....and I use my ears for tuning..not only for accuracy but for personal perfence in tuning...
also, for jotting down altered tuning I might like and saving them....for future reference...

Ukuleleblues
01-20-2013, 12:23 PM
I've noticed that when the battery is starting to go out on my tuner it's accuracy can be questionable. Once I replace the battery everything is OK. Oh, I have few of the Planet Waves mini clip on tuners and I like them a lot.
I found this place that sells inexpensive CR2032 batteries. They seem to last almost as long as the energizer Lithium's I used to buy at Wally mart for 2 for $6.97 except these are $7.39 (this includes shipping) for 50 (fifty)!!! i just ordered another 50 and it took 3 or 4 days to receive.

I tested them out by buying 10 for 2 bucks or something like that and they worked so well I ended up buying 50. I have 10+ Button Battery devices that use this 1 - 3 CR2032's each.

If someone told me these were this cheap and this good, and shipped this fast, I would not have believed them.

Here is the link

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320802570635?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

haolejohn
01-20-2013, 12:48 PM
I use a tuner. I can tell when a uke is out of tune or in tune with my ear but my ear is obviously no where near as good as what I am reading here. But what I find funny is that you can take an instrument and it will be in tune to one player's ear but not another's.

SO do I trust my tuner? yes. Do I trust my ear? yes. Do I trust others? yes, is there perfection? no.

rasputinsghost
01-20-2013, 12:51 PM
if you have a smartphone, get an app like Guitar Tuner Pro or something similar; pretty darn accurate and you'll never lose it.

OldePhart
01-21-2013, 06:51 AM
I found this place that sells inexpensive CR2032 batteries. They seem to last almost as long as the energizer Lithium's I used to buy at Wally mart for 2 for $6.97 except these are $7.39 (this includes shipping) for 50 (fifty)!!! i just ordered another 50 and it took 3 or 4 days to receive.

I tested them out by buying 10 for 2 bucks or something like that and they worked so well I ended up buying 50. I have 10+ Button Battery devices that use this 1 - 3 CR2032's each.

If someone told me these were this cheap and this good, and shipped this fast, I would not have believed them.

Here is the link

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320802570635?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Thanks for that - I'd seen those and figured they probably last about as long as it takes to install them - nice to know that's not the case.

I'd been buying my batteries from Amazon.com where I was paying around ten dollars for a pack of ten - but this is better. :)

John

bazmaz
01-21-2013, 08:45 AM
I do, but only for the job they are intended to do.

I too use a Peterson from time to time and that is as close as any tuner got to my ear.. Interestingly I've tested many other cheap clip ons against it and the Snark comes pretty close.

Some others I've used are awful.

But I always end up doing a bit of fine tuning. Wouldn't want to not have a clip on in the case though

Tootler
01-21-2013, 01:43 PM
I cannot tune quickly enough just by ear. I use a clip on tuner (snark), then check the uke by ear. With careful adjustment and getting to know your tuner you can get very close and it saves a lot of time.

Ukuleleblues
01-21-2013, 02:13 PM
Thanks for that - I'd seen those and figured they probably last about as long as it takes to install them - nice to know that's not the case.

I'd been buying my batteries from Amazon.com where I was paying around ten dollars for a pack of ten - but this is better. :)

JohnTry a pack of 2 or 10 and let me know if I am nuts or not.

Pack of 2 for 1.19 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pieces-CR2032-CR-2032-3v-Lithium-Battery-USA-US-/220901947758?pt=US_Single_Use_Batteries&hash=item336ec8396e)

Pack of 10 for 2.25 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-CR2032-DL2032-ECR2032-5004LC-Lithium-Button-Cell-Battery-/320802563631?pt=US_Single_Use_Batteries&hash=item4ab152a62f)

I am always leaving things on by accident, so I tried out a 10 pack and I was pleased...for the bucks you cannot beat them.

joekulele
01-21-2013, 03:12 PM
I've used a cheapie Kala for a long time and it has stood up to a lot of abuse. I like its rubber coating; I must have dropped that thing a thousand times or just tossed it in the gig bag only to have my music stand thrown on top of it. For my backup, I use a phone app called Pitch-bot. It is extremely accurate and cost me $2.99.
-joe

aperseghin
01-21-2013, 03:28 PM
the best tuner i have found is DaTuner, its an android app and is VERY accurate.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bork.dsp.datuna&hl=en

haolejohn
01-21-2013, 03:38 PM
the best tuner i have found is DaTuner, its an android app and is VERY accurate.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bork.dsp.datuna&hl=en

I like this app. I still use it quite frequently.

OldePhart
01-22-2013, 07:07 AM
Try a pack of 2 or 10 and let me know if I am nuts or not.

Pack of 2 for 1.19 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pieces-CR2032-CR-2032-3v-Lithium-Battery-USA-US-/220901947758?pt=US_Single_Use_Batteries&hash=item336ec8396e)

Pack of 10 for 2.25 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-CR2032-DL2032-ECR2032-5004LC-Lithium-Button-Cell-Battery-/320802563631?pt=US_Single_Use_Batteries&hash=item4ab152a62f)

I am always leaving things on by accident, so I tried out a 10 pack and I was pleased...for the bucks you cannot beat them.

I trust you, I already ordered a pack of 50. :)

bnolsen
01-22-2013, 08:29 AM
From my experience the snark seems to be the most accurate of the electronic tuners I've used. The cheapo chinese ones are good for getting there fast, then I do some by ear micro adjustment using the cheapo tuner to warn me if I go too far out.

OldePhart
01-22-2013, 02:51 PM
the best tuner i have found is DaTuner, its an android app and is VERY accurate.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bork.dsp.datuna&hl=en

Holy carp! That app looked interesting enough that I updated my 3 year old HTC hero from android 1.5 to 2.1 so I could run it (app requires 1.6 or above).

We won't talk about what a royal pain in the arse that update was - on second thought, yes we will - Sprint, HTC, and Google should all be ashamed of themselves for having such a broken mess. I'm a techie by trade and it took me four hours and I had to use an old XP box to finally get the flash updater to work at all. Then I had to reconfigure the feaking phone when it was finally updated, and it still won't sync to my Windows 7 box using the latest version of HTC sync. I can just imagine my wife or daughter (non-techies) trying to make it work. I guess there's a reason so many older HTC phones are still running 1.5...

I'm a confirmed Apple hater but that upgrade nightmare was enough to make me pretty much decide my next phone is going to be an iPhone. We've never had a single issue updating our iPads and my daughter's iPhone - even transfering them from account to account is nothing compared to a "simple" flash update on Android.

But, as for the app cited above, great app. I bought the pro version because I wanted the pseudo-strobe display and to be able to choose the sample rate. The display on this is more precise than my Korg needle tuner or any of my clip ons outside of the Stroboclip. Not bad for less than three bucks! I'm not sure how well this would work on my bass (especially on the low B string) as accuracy falls off pretty rapidly below around 110hz but in a pinch I suppose I could tune the harmonics.

John