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southpawmark
03-12-2013, 01:10 PM
Lefties unite! There's a great book I just discovered on amazon and I got it in the mail today. What a joy to have found this book. I wish I had found it when I was learning to play the guitar as a southpaw.

The book is called Lef Hand Chords for Guitar Mandolin Ukulele & Banjo and it has essential chord fingering charts for major, minor and 7th chords, keys, barre chords, arpeggio scales and more. This is a must have for any lefty.

http://www.amazon.com/Chords-Guitar-Mandolin-Ukulele-Banjo/dp/1468158163/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363129751&sr=8-1&keywords=left+hand+chords

OldePhart
03-12-2013, 01:19 PM
...this is a must have for any lefty.

Or at least for those without mirrors... :)

Sorry, but I couldn't resist. I'm sure it's actually quite a boon for "leftists" :)

John

OldePhart
03-12-2013, 02:57 PM
I am left handed and strum with my right hand. The book looks great, but when I look at it I can't tell the difference to the right handed version, the chords look the same, even though I know they are different. It looks like a great book.
I can make the chords with my right hand and strum with the left, but I am too lazy to put the effort in to develop the muscles in my fingers and arms so I can do it better than I do when strumming with my right hand. My first music teacher started me strumming right handed and now I am too lazy to try to change, I could be playing like Hendrix if not for the teacher, this is a lesson to music teachers. He only taught me how to sight read and play a few tunes and I am still doing music stuff after 30 years, so I have decided not to track him down and sue.

That's interesting - I bet you're "borderline ambidextrous." For most people playing the "wrong" hand the issue isn't making the shapes with the fretting hand, it's that the non-dominant side is usually pretty rhythmically challenged. If you can strum well with the "off" hand I bet you could be an awesome drummer...

John

southpawmark
03-12-2013, 09:01 PM
John, your comments made me laugh. He He He. When I look in the mirror though, everything is backwards. ;)

TheCraftedCow
03-14-2013, 05:03 AM
Last I looked there is no marking on my drumstick to indicate if it a left or a right. that means I can play the same rhythm with either hand. I have watched our daughter do a difficult section in the right hand and then go do it with the left one
on her practices and performances on piano. There are people who only paint with one hand. I worked a summer as a house painter. My boss told me to place the ladder so I could paint from the left as well as the right. It cut the time to go down and up just to move the ladder in half.

When anyone has a mind set of "I can't do (whatever)", it is a true statement in their own mind. When we change how we think, the change of action has a far greater chance of occuring than if it is prefaced with "I can't" An attitude of "I HAVE YET TO BE ABLE TO_____" indicates a different mind set,and increases the odds of a different behavior happening.

southpawmark
03-14-2013, 08:59 AM
Crafted, I hear you speaking with the same prejudice, and ignorance that most righties speak when talking about us. You assume we can just "will ourselves" to use the other hand. Do I need to send you back to school to teach you about basic electric impulses? Do you need a lesson in right-brain vs. left-brain understanding? Lefties use the left hand because something in our genetic makeup has wired us this way. True lefties will use the left hand for most things. Your daughter is clearly ambidextrous like my cousin. I was amazed watching her write as a child. She could go back and forth with either hand and write beautifully. As an adult she favors the left hand for writing but she bats right handed. I bat, catch, play guitar, play uke, play chinese xiao and every other instrument that can be setup for a lefty as a lefty. I can't just "switch off" the portion of my brain telling me to use my right hand. They tried that in schools years ago and would bind the left hand of children. I used to work with an older woman who told me she had trouble with basic mathematical calculations because her left hand had been bound when she was a child and it screwed up her wiring. Please don't assume we can just change hands. Most of us cannot and we don't have to. Next time you see Paul McCartney feel free to tell him he "must" use his right hand. He'll probably laugh. I understand that he has several left-handed instruments in his house. Many were custom made especially for him but most were just standard order. I'm thankful that most guitar makers recognize lefties do require a different setup. We, who are learning or play the uke, can easily restring most uke's and it's setup perfectly for us. Please, go speak to a biologist before you decide it's easy for us to just switch hands. I think your biologist, with a basic understanding of human physiology, will probably laugh at you and tell you why this isn't possible. Oh, but before you do that I want you to try an experiment for me. Go try and do several things left handed that you normally do right. Not just one thing. That's a cop out. Try several things. You'll probably find that there are a few things you may already do with your left hand that you never thought of and some things, like opening a bottle of wine, or cutting with scissors feels more comfortable and natural in your right hand.

oldetymey
03-14-2013, 09:17 AM
Why do lefty vs. righty threads always start to turn nasty? Who cares what hand someone uses? Why is it important? Cant we just celebrate what we have in common as opposed to dog each other on our differences? Ive seen a million lefty vs righty threads here they always turn out badly.

Macmuse
03-14-2013, 11:24 AM
Why do lefty vs. righty threads always start to turn nasty? Who cares what hand someone uses? Why is it important? Cant we just celebrate what we have in common as opposed to dog each other on our differences? Ive seen a million lefty vs righty threads here they always turn out badly.

I usually just lurk regarding the lefty-righty stuff. In spirit I agree with you - aloha spirit as much as possible.

I'm primarily left-handed, though I think I might actually fall into the mixed-handed category as defined here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handedness. Did that come about young, having one parent of right- and one of left-handedness perhaps? Who knows.

People who are "profoundly" left-handed find much of the "standard" practices in the majority right-handed world to be cumbersome, painful, or just plain difficult.

Who cares? Those who are profoundly left-handed, when they cannot make use of or easily understand things that are in the societal dominant right-handed formats.

The reason lefties care is because:

Music instruction was geared to right handedness...

Needlework instructions for the longest time were only for right handed people - and using a mirror is not always helpful, sadly...

among many other instructions and implements (I can't use a "normal" ladle that pours with a right hand spout, butter knives feel wrong) etc...

What we have in common is a love for music & playing a very cool instrument. We all need the proper tools to enable ANY handedness so we can enjoy and excel.

So, an awareness that some people are profoundly left-handed DOES matter or those tools wouldn't exist for that population. That's why the book that southpawmark posted is very useful for those who are profoundly lefty and want the tools to work with that righties take for granted in vast quantity.:)

oldetymey
03-14-2013, 12:13 PM
I usually just lurk regarding the lefty-righty stuff. In spirit I agree with you - aloha spirit as much as possible.

I'm primarily left-handed, though I think I might actually fall into the mixed-handed category as defined here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handedness. Did that come about young, having one parent of right- and one of left-handedness perhaps? Who knows.

People who are "profoundly" left-handed find much of the "standard" practices in the majority right-handed world to be cumbersome, painful, or just plain difficult.

Who cares? Those who are profoundly left-handed, when they cannot make use of or easily understand things that are in the societal dominant right-handed formats.

The reason lefties care is because:

Music instruction was geared to right handedness...

Needlework instructions for the longest time were only for right handed people only - and using a mirror is not always helpful, sadly...

among many other instructions and implements (I can't use a "normal" ladle that pours with a right hand spout, butter knives feel wrong) etc...

What we have in common is a love for music & playing a very cool instrument. We all need the proper tools to enable ANY handedness so we can enjoy and excel.

So, an awareness that some people are profoundly left-handed DOES matter or those tools wouldn't exist for that population. That's why the book that southpawmark posted is very useful for those who are profoundly lefty and want the tools to work with that righties take for granted in vast quantity.:)


I am left handed. I play left handed. Ive never had an issue transposing right handed oriented chord books for my use, but I think the original posted book is pretty neat. I just dont dig all the lefty vs. righty junk. Im profoundly left handed as you say. Its not a handicap. Ive never had an issue functioning in the world. The only time I get flak for lefthandedness is in uke playing. Why does it matter what hand someone uses to do what? Is it not technically correct? Big deal. The solution as I see it is for righties to quit treating lefties as 2nd class musicians that are flyin in the face of some grand technical tradition of playing and lefties to quit acting like life is just impossible because they are lefties in a righty world. Then just play and have fun. Could I with time and practice play righty? Sure I could but why? Lefty is more comfortable. And it isnt hurting a damn thing. So why have the argument?
Do we really need another thread taking a negative turn in here. Lets just talk about playing. Which is as you point out something we can all agree is great. :). Right?

Macmuse
03-14-2013, 12:24 PM
Lets just talk about playing. Which is as you point out something we can all agree is great. :). Right?

Right. I'm sorry if you think my providing some background explanation is being negative or argumentative. Not the intent. I didn't say impossible, but some things are uncomfortable when they don't need to be.

Without some form of feedback people in general won't know what can be troublesome to some of us is all I'm saying - a step toward general understanding and just accepting all musicianship along with good tools for all handedness out there.

Oh, and I play right-handed... because I learned guitar that way and it wasn't less comfortable than when I tried left-handed (I restrung it but the pick guard didn't to much good that direction) ;). It was harder to find left-handed instruments or music when my folks started me in music.

oldetymey
03-14-2013, 12:53 PM
Right. I'm sorry if you think my providing some background explanation is being negative or argumentative. Not the intent. I didn't say impossible, but some things are uncomfortable when they don't need to be.

Without some form of feedback people in general won't know what can be troublesome to some of us is all I'm saying - a step toward general understanding and just accepting all musicianship along with good tools for all handedness out there.

Oh, and I play right-handed... because I learned guitar that way and it wasn't less comfortable than when I tried left-handed (I restrung it but the pick guard didn't to much good that direction) ;). It was harder to find left-handed instruments or music when my folks started me in music.

No sorry I didnt mean it that way at all. I didnt think you were being negative. I probably shouldnt have quoted you sorry for that. I was just making the point that I was speakin from experience and in my own experience its just not a big enough deal to even bother discussing (yes I get the irony of posting on a subject I just said wAsnt worth discussing). Since the discussion seems to always take an inflammatory turn and feelings end up hurt. Theres so much we have in common here as you say. Love of the uke, of music, performing, etc etc. why stir up another hornets nest pitting one side against another. As I said I think the original post was fine but its bound to go a bad direction

Macmuse
03-14-2013, 01:50 PM
...just not a big enough deal to even bother discussing (yes I get the irony of posting on a subject I just said wAsnt worth discussing).

Okay, lol... that's the conversation that just happened here with my fellow left-handed uke player (who also plays right-handed). :)

At any rate, past history colors all of our perspectives on these kinds of things. My dad was of the generation that had their hand tied and convinced a teacher (one room school house) to stop that if he could write more legibly than the right-handers - which he did. Neither he nor I can read some things my right-handed mom scribbles. heh.

southpawmark
03-15-2013, 09:27 AM
Hey all, last thing I want is to create an either/or post. I was sharing a book. We lefties have a challenge living in a right-handed world but we've always made out ok with what we had. In this new internet age more things are turning up for lefties to make our job easier. I have a full array of kitchen tools: left ladle, wok tool, etc. If we can just get righties to accept that we do things differently and not judge us for it we'll be fine. Then we can celebrate the music we share. That was the point of my post. To share a great book that I believe will help other lefties and one post completely changed the discussion.

That one post would have sent us back fifty to one-hundred years. I replied because I needed to reply. I'm that guy who came up a few generations after they stopped tying hands but some of those old dinosaur instructors still existed. My mum made several trips to the school to fight on my behalf. When a grade school teacher tried to get me to use my right hand for righting my mum went directly to the Principal. When a middle school teacher accused me of cheating because I was using my left hand, my mom went to the Principal. I won't apologize for being sensitive to this issue. I'm just thankful we have tools developed to make our lives easier and I am just attempting to share those with my fellow lefties. Sorry if some righties are offended by our very existence.

hoosierhiver
03-15-2013, 09:38 AM
Does any company make a left handed cut-away?

Macmuse
03-15-2013, 11:32 AM
Does any company make a left handed cut-away?

Wow, I never thought to even look for one since I play right-handed. That might be kinda cool!

Macmuse
03-15-2013, 11:40 AM
I'm just thankful we have tools developed to make our lives easier and I am just attempting to share those with my fellow lefties.

With you on this one for certain! And I don't think it's taking offense really, it's not having enough info to grasp the annoyances we have faced. They are all basically design issues from a certain perspective and not surprising that they suit 80-90% of the population quite well. :)

When I studied in Germany in college I was about to sign a guest book at a museum where an elderly docent was sitting. She immediately asked me where I was from. I replied in German that I was an American college student studying in her country. Her reply was "We would never let our children use "that" hand to write. What a permissive society you must be from". A lot of it is generational and I don't think nearly as many of the issues/barriers exist as in the past, thankfully.

urcuzzn
03-15-2013, 11:47 AM
here is my maui music lefty cutaway503385034550346

southpawmark
03-15-2013, 06:10 PM
Hoosier, I have several. A Sergio Zepeda cutaway on order, a Cole Clark on hold and a Dean Performer SE Cutaway. Martin and Taylor both make lefty guitars. Sergio Zepeda, who's a Nicaraguan luthier, is lefty friendly. The guy who is his North American representative is a lefty and has a video of his playing southpaw. Maton Guitars, which is also an Australian company like Cole Clark, is very southpaw friendly. They're a little more pricey then Cole Clark but they make some mighty sweet-sounding guitars.

southpawmark
03-15-2013, 06:15 PM
Macmuse, yes, that woman from from a different generation. In her time you probably wouldn't have been able to use your left hand but now there is no problem. Scientist warn of the damage you can inflict on a person by suppressing their natural instinct. Even today I got an apology from a guy on youtube that made a video about picking an acoustic guitar. They made some rather offensive comments about lefties and I was shocked that anyone was tell me that I "should learn how to play the right way". One of the two guys replied back to me and was apologetic. He went as far as to tell me that both of them were lefties but the guy in the cowboy hat learned to play righty because that was what was available. It's funny but the guy who played right mentioned that he's an "ok" guitar player. He could be amazing if he was playing with the correct hand! Just my thought but I discovered I am a much better guitar player and will probably be a better uke player because I allow the creative side of my brain to be free. That's the side of the brain that is attracted to music.

Macmuse
03-15-2013, 06:36 PM
Well, that's why feedback and providing information is good to help people understand. After all this time with so many different instruments I really feel like I'm in the mixed-hand category (for more than just music reasons). There are some things that my left is clearly dominant but, I don't feel musically hindered for fretting left, strumming right. It just works for me. :)

southpawmark
03-16-2013, 12:37 PM
true macmuse. feedback is good until it's not. such was the case with a comment in this thread. accidental it may have been but the damage was already done. Just as the guy in the video could have set us back 50 years by telling people that they must learn how to play guitar lefty. I just kept thing what the world would be like if Jimmy Hendrix or Paul McCartney believed this? We'd have no Beatles and the world wouldn't know of Jimmy Hendrix. That would be a crime. So, feedback has it's place as long as it's constructive and not damaging. As a lefty there are a few things I do right handed but I am left dominant. My mother, who's also a lefty, does a lot of things right-handed but most of the things she does are left handed. It's the way of the world. She's also lucky that no teachers ever forced her to write with her right hand. I think she missed those teachers. They were one generation before her.

All I want is for us to celebrate music. Celebrate differences. Let's have a bunch of right-handed uke players on stage playing and then have one or two lefty players that hop up on stage and start jamming with them. The audience looks and goes "oooh a couple of lefties". No one thinks twice as the songs are played. How many righties even think about Paul McCartney's left-handedness? You wouldn't unless you're a lefty. This is the point I'm making but it's not to make an either/or point. It's just to celebrate our differences. Let people decide for themselves how they wish to play but give them the tools to decide. That was the point of this thread. It's one more tool to help a lefty decide if he/she wishes to play naturally or if they want to try right-handed playing.

OldePhart
03-16-2013, 02:36 PM
It's amazing how long the "experts" basically oppressed people over minor differences. Deafness runs in my maternal grandfather's side of the family. It didn't affect my mother, nor myself or my children, but in every generation there have been cousins who were deaf. As recently as the early-middle nineteenth century the "experts" were still diagnosing them as mentall ill and warehousing them in asylums.

That's why I just don't put much faith in people who consider themselves to be experts. I often wonder who is being marginalized, misdiagnosed, and oppressed by the current crop of "experts." Now days it seems like everybody is out to hawk medicine. If a kid is a little rambunctious, don't give him the swat on the rear that he needs to learn some discipline - just dope him to the eyeballs so he'll be nice and quiet in class.

Bah...you got me started on my soapbox again. :)

John

southpawmark
03-16-2013, 09:38 PM
John, you probably don't know that I'm adopting a few deaf boys either. Maybe the reason I'm drawn to them is partly because I'm a minority as a lefty? Not sure but I do hear what you're saying.

drbekken
03-17-2013, 12:49 AM
For the record: I am left-handed. As a pianist, I have seen this as an undisputed advantage. I have been able to develop a strong left hand technique, which makes me better at certain jazz styles. As a less advanced guitar and uke player, I never tried out any left hand instruments, basically because there were none around. Instead, I was forced to play regular right hand instruments. My firm belief is that you have to make a choice early on,and stick to it. Or; you can be like the great Bob Brozman, who plays a regular guitar both ways in the course of one single song, if he so chooses. It's an amazing sight.

DavidB
03-17-2013, 02:29 AM
I am a lefty, and I chose to play lefty cause it is more fun for me. Got myself a custom lefty Kanilea, that I will never sell. As long as you are having fun then it does not matter which hand you use, besides it is fun being the black sheep of the group ;) Also, because I am living in China right now, i found out that lefties are considered geniuses by default ;)

OldePhart
03-17-2013, 03:23 PM
John, you probably don't know that I'm adopting a few deaf boys either. Maybe the reason I'm drawn to them is partly because I'm a minority as a lefty? Not sure but I do hear what you're saying.

Wow...it's a small world! Oh, and in my post I meant the early middle of the twentieth century that deaf folks were still sometimes finding themselves in asylums.

I just don't have much use for "experts" in any case - especially if they go to great lengths to explain their "knowledge" in technical jargon and scientific formula - that pretty much tells me they've never actually tried the thing they are claiming won't work. Sometimes they are right, but very often they are dead wrong as is proven by the simple expediency of trying the thing they claim can't work.

Early in the twentieth century, just a few years before the sound barrier was broken, "experts" were claiming that exceeding the speed of sound would invariably be fatal for the pilot. Likewise, self proclaimed experts in the fledgling automotive periodical industry of that time declared that the automobile had reached the pinnacle of development and that no significant advances would be forthcoming (this was before seatbelts had even been invented).

So, I've not much use for experts. And if there are any poor misguided folks who think I'm an expert on the ukulele, music in general, etc., please notice that I call myself the opinionator. Yes, I have a certain amount of experience in a variety of fields, that doesn't make me an expert on anything except my experience! :)

John