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NoKaOi
03-24-2013, 12:56 PM
Two-parter here-

1. if you've tried both wound low "G" as well as the non-wound variety, which is your preference and why?

I have a very long guitar back ground & only a short, though mounting, period of Uke experience (I can feel the impending UAS coming as I type! ;) )

2. Although obviously a highly subjective topic...I'm wondering for those who have tried multiple string brands, which is their favorite brand?

I am considering trying a low G set of Jason Arimimoto's polymer PhD's on my solid Mahogany Tenor Kala cutaway that currently still has the factory installed Aquila's. Also contemplating Ken's Living Water strings for that Uke.

I also have a custom Koa built by a Big Island luthier with a slightly shallow body (a little "tinny" sounding or "thin") that I'd like to deepen up a bit, and was thinking of giving standard Worth browns or Fremont Blacklines a shot(?)

I realize it's somewhat of a trial & error process, as I've spent decades modifying my guitar preferences -- for my acoustics, I fairly recently switched to coated (& far more expensive) Elixir strings, which made an incredible difference in length between string changes and overall sound! Certainly a different ball game when it comes to the much more sparsely changed uke strings.

Anyway, appreciate any input & advice anyone would care to share..

Mahalo

Rawks
03-24-2013, 02:14 PM
I don't have any experience with low G tuning, so I can't help you there.
As for your second question, I've tried many sets of strings. My favourite of the standard ukulele strings have been Worth browns. They aren't too bright but I liked their sustain and they seemed a bit more receptive to hammer-ons/pull-offs than other strings.
But my very favourite strings are currently classical guitar strings. I use Thomastik-Infeld KR116 strings on both my tenors. They have a metallic core and the sound is very powerful and bright and slightly 'twangy'. The quality is also a little inconsistant; the nylon winding can come loose fairly easily.
I also had a look at the Elixir brand strings you mentioned. If you wanted to try them on your uke, I think you could put a set together which would have acceptable tension.

Geeky666
03-24-2013, 02:20 PM
After running through a string a day for a week, I went to plain low G. I forget what brand they were.

NoKaOi
03-24-2013, 02:44 PM
Geeky- by "plain low G", I take it that you mean a "non-wound" string"? (Surmising that you were having problems with poor quality wound strings(?) )

After running through a string a day for a week, I went to plain low G. I forget what brand they were.

Mahalo for the replies! (& for those that have sent pm's..)

Rawks - I recently read a Uke 'guru's (can't recall whom, but someone held in high regard by many..) recommendation that his string of choice is similar to your Thomastik-Infeld KR116's - I believe he was using Savarez "Red Cards"(?) Lots of choices/options...keep the info coming!

Brad Bordessa
03-24-2013, 02:46 PM
Un-wound for me is hands-down better. You don't get string squeaks and they last way longer. The tone probably isn't as great, but I found the wound low g to really have a different sound than the rest. For me, string balance is really important so I'd rather have a little bit of a thump from the G string than a bright, out-of-place chime.

I play Worth. They sound great to me and I've learned to work with them. There might be something better out there, but I'm tired of chasing string types down the rabbit hole.

itsme
03-24-2013, 03:02 PM
1. if you've tried both wound low "G" as well as the non-wound variety, which is your preference and why?
I have two tenors in low G, both have Worth browns (all plain/unwound) that I like a lot.

I have tried the wound low G (Aquilas) and didn't like it at all. Wound strings have a different feel, tone and sustain, and tend to overpower the other (non-wound) strings.

I have Koolau Golds on my bari (two wound, two plain) and they seem to work well. With 2+2 you have a balance (like with 3+3 on a classical guitar). I tried Worth browns and some Southcoast linears, and didn't like either on the bari. The non-wound basses were just too sloppy and didn't have enough oomph.

I tried the Guadalupe all-wound baris and thought the sound was fantastic, but I just couldn't get over the tactile feel of wound nylon trebles. Then one broke, and I couldn't see seeking them out since they're rather on the pricey side. I still have a set of Koolau Alohis and some D'Addario Titaniums that I haven't tried yet (both are 2+2).

With 1+3, however, there isn't a good balance between the two types of strings. It reminds me of trying to walk while wearing one high heel and one flat shoe.

On tenor, I'm going to stick with all plains. On the bari it will be 2+2.

OldePhart
03-24-2013, 03:17 PM
I've experimented some - now, let me preface this by saying that I am not a big fan of low-g tuning so you can take all of the following with a grain of salt... (To clarify - there's nothing "wrong" with low-G tuning and lots of people love it - I'm just not one of them.)

When I did have ukes tuned low-G I preferred the idea of an unwound low G but never found one I really liked. That doesn't mean that a good one doesn't exist, just that I never found one. All of them I tried were a little "snappish" so the timbre didn't really work for me.

Wound low-g sounded better for the most part, but had that gosh-awful "squeak" of wound strings.

On baritones I do like a linear tuning (though I think of it as my "little guitar"). I've found that Thomastik-Infeld chromium steel flat-wound classical guitar strings work really well for the basses on a baritone (the .035 "A" string for the D and .030 "D" string for the G).

I suspect that one of them might also make a decent low G on a tenor - but I haven't tried it.

These Thomastik-Infeld strings are called flat-wound but they are not as smooth as my flat-wound bass strings. They are significantly quieter than typical wound strings, though, having maybe 25% of the "squeak" of typical wound strings.

HTH,
John

808boy
03-24-2013, 03:49 PM
Aloha Bruddah,
50th Stater here also living on the Mainland, NorCal Valley. Anyway for me hands down Southcoast Linear Flatwounds, (no squeak) or their roundwounds (polished rounds with low squeak). Tried unwounds but the g string was too thick for my liking, felt like I was fretting clothes line.
To each his own, and that is my preferance........................Bo.............. ......
Oh, just got a set of PHDs but haven't put it to use yet.....soon.....

Newportlocal
03-24-2013, 04:37 PM
Mahalo for the replies! (& for those that have sent pm's..)

Rawks - I recently read a Uke 'guru's (can't recall whom, but someone held in high regard by many..) recommendation that his string of choice is similar to your Thomastik-Infeld KR116's - I believe he was using Savarez "Red Cards"(?) Lots of choices/options...keep the info coming!


I know we spoke already by PM, but since you mentioned Savarez here is a thread that might interest you.

http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?73700-Salvarez-Ukulele-Strings

iDavid
03-24-2013, 04:50 PM
I am not a big fan or low-g either, but I have tried a few sets. I think Southcoast linear sets make the most sense. They have two wound and two nonwound strings. I find the unwound low-g to be thumping on the sets I have tried. You can get use to it, but didn't seem natural to me.

wickedwahine11
03-24-2013, 05:41 PM
I play almost exclusively low g, and have tried Worth, PhD, Living Water, Fremont, Savarez, and Aquila.

I didn't like the wound strings because I could never manage to avoid the squeak, so now I only get nonwound.

It depends on the uke for me. I liked the Worth CHLGHD best on my Kamaka, the PhD on the KoAloha and the Living Water on the Kanilea. Each if them are pretty well balanced and don't seem too be boomy. If I had to pick just one, it would be the Living Water for sound and feel.

gyosh
03-24-2013, 05:48 PM
Here's my two cents. I don't like the big (to my ear) drop off in tone from the low G to the C so I went through about a dozen sets trying to find a "balanced" sound.

Here's my take. The Southcoast linear G650 (it's my understanding they've changed the name) wound G, wound C are hands down the most balanced sounding strings I tried. They also increased the volume/projection of my ukes. I exchanged emails with Dirk many times and he suggested this set when I could finally articulate what I was after. The man knows his strings!

If you don't like wound strings, then the PhD strings are what you are looking for. PhD's are easily the most balanced of the non-wound strings. They also feel great. I thought the Worth's G felt floppy. Even the "hard" strings they carry.

Newportlocal mentioned the Sauvarez strings. They're good, but the Southcoast are better.

Hope my experience with strings saves you some time and money.


*EDIT: The two main ukes I experimented with are a Kala mahogany b/s with a solid spruce top and a Kamaka HF-3. I have a custom Compass Rose on the way that will come strung with Southcoast Strings (I sent them to Rick Turner otherwise he sends them out with Aquilas).

hawaii 50
03-24-2013, 05:52 PM
I just got a test set of Oasis fluorocarbon strings..with a wound LowG..which I put on a Kanile'a concert..i wanted to get a clear sound without losing the low tones of the uke..

I like how the strings feel and so far there is a cleaner/clear sound on the highs..i think I will keep the strings on this uke..I had aquillas on it before..

for a squeakless LowG I like the new Fremont Soloist flat wound string..i like the wound strings see nothing wrong with them

my 2 cents

Newportlocal
03-24-2013, 06:32 PM
Here's my two cents. I don't like the big (to my ear) drop off in tone from the low G to the C so I went through about a dozen sets trying to find a "balanced" sound.

Here's my take. The Southcoast linear G650 (it's my understanding they've changed the name) wound G, wound C are hands down the most balanced sounding strings I tried. They also increased the volume/projection of my ukes. I exchanged emails with Dirk many times and he suggested this set when I could finally articulate what I was after. The man knows his strings!

If you don't like wound strings, then the PhD strings are what you are looking for. PhD's are easily the most balanced of the non-wound strings. They also feel great. I thought the Worth's G felt floppy. Even the "hard" strings they carry.

Newportlocal mentioned the Sauvarez strings. They're good, but the Southcoast are better.

Hope my experience with strings saves you some time and money.

In PM I told him my current favorites are PhD, and the Southcoast G650 now L5-RW were on my list to try on my custom when I get it. I only added the Savarez thread link due to his mentioning it.:D

NoKaOi
03-24-2013, 08:07 PM
WOW! What an incredible array of relevent information & great opinions you folks have shared in this thread! Mahalo again to everyone for their input!

One thing I have definitely determined, is that I am fairly pissed off at several of my touring musician pals that have full-time guitar techs to: switch, swap, file, adjust & do just about anything Mr. "Demanding Rock Star" wishes on a whim, in order to make his short time on stage as peachy as can be!

In all seriousness, I can see how the UAS can REALLY become almost a necessity - heck, we gotta have: WOUND & Un-wound low-G tenors (for the shredding ;); perhaps a standard concert for the banjo rolls, a travel Uke we don't need to insure, maybe something small when we're simply lazy.. & so on.. I guess being in possession of multiple instruments comes in handy to do direct comparisons with strings -- well, assuming you don't have the stellar pro-tools set-up in your in home music room! I know I've done that a few times with new guitar strings that have come out. No shortage of 6-strings around the crib, that's for sure!

I suppose I better simply make peace with the fact that I'm going to be winding more than a few extra tuning heads in the near future..

Gary (gyosh)- I saw you mention Ukulele Source previously somewhere, so I guess you're acquainted with Smiley, eh?! My daughter's close to SJSU campus, so I try to roll by his shop when I visit her. Great to have a resource like Smiley's shop so close to home!

Hope to see you NorCal folks (& any others making the journey..) at the Uke Fest in a few weeks!

Malama Pono,
Sean

mm stan
03-25-2013, 03:50 AM
I prefer Hi G most of th times....however when I go LOW G....I prefer unwound as to me it is a much more balanced tone......

grendel1972
03-25-2013, 03:59 AM
I prefer low G, and have tried aquila, worth, freemont and southcoast. I found the unwound low g to be either too floppy or just too booming. When I first tried the wound low G, I hated the string squeak. I've settled on the southcoast flatwounds, which have 2 flatwound strings (3rd and 4th). The balance among the four strings is excellent, and the winding of the flatwounds is such that I don't notice any string squeak when I'm playing. They are a bit delicate compared to non-wound, but one just has to be careful when installing. I've not had any issues with longevity, although I have heard that complaint about wound strings (generally, not specific to southcoast), so YMMV.

gyosh
03-25-2013, 04:38 AM
. . .snip . . .
Gary (gyosh)- I saw you mention Ukulele Source previously somewhere, so I guess you're acquainted with Smiley, eh?! My daughter's close to SJSU campus, so I try to roll by his shop when I visit her. Great to have a resource like Smiley's shop so close to home!

Hope to see you NorCal folks (& any others making the journey..) at the Uke Fest in a few weeks!

Malama Pono,
Sean

Hey Sean,

I live about 1/2 a mile from Ukulele Source:) You should come down and visit your daughter on Saturdays when Smiley starts up the Kanikapilas again. Roy's Station Coffee & Tea hosts the events and Rodney Takahashi, an instructor located in Japan Town usually MC's. Get on Smiley's email list or I can let you know when they start again. See you in Hayward!

-Gary

stevepetergal
03-25-2013, 05:20 AM
I, at first, didn't like a wound string because of the zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sound when moving about the fret board. But, after listening to some of the very best classical guitar players in the world (thank's youtube), I understand that this is the nature of the beast and perfectly acceptable in their realm. It is now acceptable to me. In my limited experience with non-wound low G strings, they seem noticably dull (thud) in comparison.
This is my opinion, but I'm quite sure I will continue to experiment.

guitarsnrotts
03-25-2013, 05:42 AM
I've tried a number of Low-G strings and settled on Fremont Blacklines with a non-wound Low-G. I prefer non-wound Low-G strings for sound and feel. I have them on my Lanikai Spalted Mango Tenor. I've tried some other brands on my Mainland Mahogany Concert and found I liked Worth BM with a non-wound Low-G the best. Just haven't found a brand/set with a wound Low-G that I prefer although my Lanikai O-8 *-String Tenor came with a set of Nylguts with a wound Low-G. Still getting used to the feel of the 8 strings but it sounds OK with the Nylguts.

jjdejd
03-25-2013, 10:20 AM
Maybe someone can tell me what strings are on my uke. It’seems to be a mystery. LOL. Here goes…..I have a Pono MT-PC which I bought in February. It was to be sent out with Worth clears and tuned to low G. Being new to the uke ( old time guitar guy), I noticed the strings were very tight and the chords were difficult to form. As most of the people on this site, one uke isn't enough, so I decided to buy an Oscar Schmidt OU5T (laminate). It came with Aquila strings. I was amazed at how easy it was to play compared to my Pono. I found I was playing it constantly and ignoring the Pono. I started researching strings and think my Pono came with different strings than I ordered. The G & C are wound and the E & A are nylon. The tension on all the strings is really tight. I called the supplier and spoke with a sales guy and he confirmed that Worth clears don't come with wound strings. So, I'm now considering Worth BT's or CT's and going to standard tuning. I can live without the low G. I'm looking for less tension, but a good sound for the mahogany Pono. I've also decided to sell the OS5T and buy an Islander MST-4 mahogany uke. I'm trying to decide which strings to have them supply. Thinking of trying Worth CT’s on the Islander and going to Worth BT’s on the Pono. Anybody care to guess what brand strings came on my Pono- two wound and two nylon- very high tension??? All I know is, they have to go ! Thanks.

okidiver
03-25-2013, 10:54 AM
Maybe someone can tell me what strings are on my uke. …..I have a Pono MT-PC which I bought in February. ...I've also decided to sell the OS5T and buy an Islander MST-4 mahogany uke. I'm trying to decide which strings to have them supply. Thinking of trying Worth CT’s on the Islander and going to Worth BT’s on the Pono. Anybody care to guess what brand strings came on my Pono- two wound and two nylon- very high tension??? All I know is, they have to go ! Thanks.

I have a Pono ATC-C and I believe it came with Koolau Gold strings...or Hilo Tenors...no clue. Like them A LOT, but might try Southcoast round wounds when they wear out.
Second, ensure you don't have the fret buzz on the Islander MST-4 on the 3rd string, frets 1-4; I had one that did and so did 3 others I tried to exchange it with...moved to the Pono. Might not bother some people, but it did me.

jjdejd
03-25-2013, 11:41 AM
I have a Pono ATC-C and I believe it came with Koolau Gold strings...or Hilo Tenors...no clue. Like them A LOT, but might try Southcoast round wounds when they wear out.
Second, ensure you don't have the fret buzz on the Islander MST-4 on the 3rd string, frets 1-4; I had one that did and so did 3 others I tried to exchange it with...moved to the Pono. Might not bother some people, but it did me.

Sent you a PM.

OldePhart
03-25-2013, 11:46 AM
Hmmm, two wounds on a linear tenor? Sounds like maybe somebody put baritone strings on...or maybe Southcoast heavy linears, I think they've got two wound strings.

jjdejd
03-25-2013, 12:59 PM
I finally got to the bottom of my string issue. I spoke with a knowledgeable person where I purchased the Pono. He said Pono’s are designed for high tension strings and someone probably didn’t notice my request for Worth clears w/ low G. He said by the description, I probably have Ko’olau Mahana strings. They are fairly high tension and sound best on a Pono. He suggested I go to Worth CT, but said I would notice some difference in volume and clarity.I may move to the Mahana plain strings with high G tuning and get away from the wound G & C. The tension will still be there, but no squeaks when you slide around the fret board. As far as the Islander, he said they come with Aquila plain and sound pretty good.

NoKaOi
03-25-2013, 01:06 PM
I'll definitely try to do that, Gary! I actually just received an email reply from Jason Arimoto about him doing another workshop in San Jose the 1st week of May -- I hope to be there (if I'm not on Maui..) I've never been to any type of Uke class/workshop, but certainly sounds like fun & a worthy endeavor - Jason's a pretty cool dude! :)

On another note, (thinking outloud here..) I'm quite confused (as I'm sure are many newbies, as well as seasoned players...) about whether I want the very familiar (coming from so many years of guitar playing) wound-feel/sound, or the smooth up/down consistency offered by like material(?) I honestly think the best solution is to get another uke (I'm not interjecting my MS Custom Koa into this endeavor..) & go both ways with the low "g" as well as re-entrant, & over time...see what ends up getting played the most!

So, who's got something both worthy & reasonable (Pono/Mainland?) they wanna part with?! ;)


Hey Sean,
I live about 1/2 a mile from Ukulele Source:) You should come down and visit your daughter on Saturdays when Smiley starts up the Kanikapilas again. Roy's Station Coffee & Tea hosts the events and Rodney Takahashi, an instructor located in Japan Town usually MC's. Get on Smiley's email list or I can let you know when they start again. See you in Hayward!
-Gary

OldePhart
03-25-2013, 01:06 PM
I finally got to the bottom of my string issue. I spoke with a knowledgeable person where I purchased the Pono. He said Pono’s are designed for high tension strings and someone probably didn’t notice my request for Worth clears w/ low G. He said by the description, I probably have Ko’olau Mahana strings. They are fairly high tension and sound best on a Pono. He suggested I go to Worth CT, but said I would notice some difference in volume and clarity.I may move to the Mahana plain strings with high G tuning and get away from the wound G & C. The tension will still be there, but no squeaks when you slide around the fret board. As far as the Islander, he said they come with Aquila plain and sound pretty good.

Glad that's cleared up. I will say that my Pono baritone definitely likes high tension strings. The Ko'Olau strings on it were decent but the wounds were really squeaky. I went to a set of heavy fluorocarbon fishing leader for the trebles and Thomastik-Infeld chrome steel flat wound classical guitar strings for the basses. The tension is definitely a bit higher than the strings that were on it and the intonation and tone are beautiful.

John

NoKaOi
03-25-2013, 01:14 PM
Noticed your plight & feel your pain.. I'm sure you're aware, coming from a similar 'guitar background' & all, but the set-up -- sometimes even MORE SO on the uke --can make all the difference in the world! There are some great deals out there on the interweb, and I can do quite a bit of minor tweaking when it comes to guitars, and although the Uke has many of the same features, I'm far more comfortable at this juncture leaving any moderate+ tweaking & initial set-up to someone that does this 20+ times daily! Thus, I highly recommend spending a few more bucks & procuring from a shop (e.g. - HMS) that provides the extra level of set-up service.

Good luck, & please update with future outcome(s)!


I've also decided to sell the OS5T and buy an Islander MST-4 mahogany uke. I'm trying to decide which strings to have them supply.

jjdejd
03-25-2013, 01:58 PM
Noticed your plight & feel your pain.. I'm sure you're aware, coming from a similar 'guitar background' & all, but the set-up -- sometimes even MORE SO on the uke --can make all the difference in the world! There are some great deals out there on the interweb, and I can do quite a bit of minor tweaking when it comes to guitars, and although the Uke has many of the same features, I'm far more comfortable at this juncture leaving any moderate+ tweaking & initial set-up to someone that does this 20+ times daily! Thus, I highly recommend spending a few more bucks & procuring from a shop (e.g. - HMS) that provides the extra level of set-up service.

Good luck, & please update with future outcome(s)!

Thanks. HMS is my first choice for this purchase.

gyosh
03-25-2013, 06:12 PM
I'll definitely try to do that, Gary! I actually just received an email reply from Jason Arimoto about him doing another workshop in San Jose the 1st week of May -- I hope to be there (if I'm not on Maui..) I've never been to any type of Uke class/workshop, but certainly sounds like fun & a worthy endeavor - Jason's a pretty cool dude! :)

I've been to a ton of workshops and IMO Jason is the best instructor. Better than all the big names too!

PereBourik
03-26-2013, 10:17 AM
My Pono ATD came with Ko'olau Mahana strings: loud with some extra twang. I'll soon begin the stroll down happy String Lane. Looking forward to shedding the wound C. Though I do have a set of Kala Pearls waiting in the wings. Have a hard time right now thinking I'll like them.

NoKaOi
03-26-2013, 10:26 AM
Unfortunately, I believe that may be an accurate statement, & here lies the decision: spend the fair degree of time & effort to swap six-bucks worth of strings, or procure something with a much better chance of making the cut(?) I believe I know which path I'd choose, but one can never be certain without committing the effort! ;)


Though I do have a set of Kala Pearls waiting in the wings. Have a hard time right now thinking I'll like them.

blue_knight_usa
03-26-2013, 03:11 PM
Hi All, when it comes to low G, many of you have seen my posts on strings as I have tried nearly every string for uke that's out there except for the Southcoasts. The new Fremont Soloist gold polished squeekless wound is FANTASTIC and is definitely my go to low G wound hands down by a mile over any other wound string out there today. It really is squeekless which I doubted but it is. I play mic'd and you cannot hear anything. I showed some folks this weekend at the UkeJam in SF.

I stumbled across it a few months ago and now it's on all my low G ukes and I even (don't be in shock) put it on my 1932 Martin 2 Soprano, and the sounds is unbelievable. I was able to get a Soprano string and Tenor string out of one string which is a bonus.

Now for many who don't like low G, there are a lot of really good strings on the market now and I would say you really have to try different sets on each uke to find the sound you are looking for that works for your particular uke. It is all personal taste, period.

I use Ph.D., Living Waters (re-entrant tuned and low G), and Savarez. Although the Fremont Blacklines sounded incredible this past week at my UKEJAM BY THE BAY 2013, where we played them on one of Toni's ukes from Anokoneke Ukuleles. Her uke sounded fantastic with them.

I think the Savarez and Living Waters are damn close in sound.
I even custom built a set of strings on my Collings which gives me the exact sound I want on each string. I wanted a more resonant C string and so I have three different brand strings on that uke and it sounds amazing. Thus experimentation is bliss!

Good luck, and happy stringing.

NoKaOi
03-26-2013, 04:29 PM
Mahalo for the reply, Jay.. What would be your preference (or at least a good option in your opinion) for a balanced set to accompany the wound Fremont Soloist on a solid mahogany tenor (like your Gretsch..) ? This string has me intrigued, as I believe (for some strange reason) that I'm craving a wound low string on a mini-guitar.. (pardon the expression)


Hi All, when it comes to low G, many of you have seen my posts on strings as I have tried nearly every string for uke that's out there except for the Southcoasts. The new Fremont Soloist gold polished squeekless wound is FANTASTIC and is definitely my go to low G wound hands down by a mile over any other wound string out there today. It really is squeekless which I doubted but it is. I play mic'd and you cannot hear anything. I showed some folks this weekend at the UkeJam in SF.

I stumbled across it a few months ago and now it's on all my low G ukes and I even (don't be in shock) put it on my 1932 Martin 2 Soprano, and the sounds is unbelievable. I was able to get a Soprano string and Tenor string out of one string which is a bonus.

Now for many who don't like low G, there are a lot of really good strings on the market now and I would say you really have to try different sets on each uke to find the sound you are looking for that works for your particular uke. It is all personal taste, period.

I use Ph.D., Living Waters (re-entrant tuned and low G), and Savarez. Although the Fremont Blacklines sounded incredible this past week at my UKEJAM BY THE BAY 2013, where we played them on one of Toni's ukes from Anokoneke Ukuleles. Her uke sounded fantastic with them.

I think the Savarez and Living Waters are damn close in sound.
I even custom built a set of strings on my Collings which gives me the exact sound I want on each string. I wanted a more resonant C string and so I have three different brand strings on that uke and it sounds amazing. Thus experimentation is bliss!

Good luck, and happy stringing.