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mm stan
04-28-2013, 02:00 PM
I just bought a 40's harmony baritone in mint condition except it has a frozen tuner..when I tryed to take the frozen tuner off,
the screw head snapped....shoots..do you know anybody that may have parts for it...or just one tuner or a set, let me know...thanks in advance...Stan

chrimess
04-28-2013, 02:12 PM
Stan.
There is seller guzi65 on ebay-great guy-currentl he only has 60s ones:
View at eBay: The item ID is 281099668354.

Newportlocal
04-28-2013, 02:49 PM
Looks like an accidental double post by the OP. Hopefully, the mods can merge the two threads together.

mm stan
04-28-2013, 05:11 PM
Looks like an accidental double post by the OP. Hopefully, the mods can merge the two threads together.

Aloha Richard,
Did it on purpose to reach out to both luthiers and other members, I hope they don't merge it together.....

Newportlocal
04-28-2013, 05:15 PM
Aloha Richard,
Did it on purpose to reach out to the luthiers and other members, I hope they don't merge it together.....

Sounds good. Got your Pm and was going to delete my request, but you quote wrapped it.:D
Hope you find your tuner.

Tommy B
04-28-2013, 05:30 PM
Stan, do you have a photo of the tuner? If so, I'll check my box of stuff to see if I have a match.

mm stan
04-28-2013, 05:30 PM
Stan.
There is seller guzi65 on ebay-great guy-currentl he only has 60s ones:
View at eBay: The item ID is 281099668354.
Aloha Christian..
thank you, but mine is the baritone and not the Knudson (Shark fin) type button knobs....

mm stan
04-28-2013, 05:31 PM
Aloha Tommy,
I will take a picture of the other ones now...thanks

mm stan
04-28-2013, 05:42 PM
Stan, do you have a photo of the tuner? If so, I'll check my box of stuff to see if I have a match.

Aloha Tommy,
okay here is the tuner picture...I am praying you have it man...http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad222/ukestan/MooreBettahCustom41213010_zpsda6988c3.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/ukestan/media/MooreBettahCustom41213010_zpsda6988c3.jpg.html)
quite unusal ones...for sure...

TheCraftedCow
04-28-2013, 11:02 PM
What we need to see is the shaft which is under the button and the spacer on the underside of the headstock. Favilla and some other early instruments had the decorative spacer. The length of the shaft below the part which is the string post, and the diameter across the flat part of the end which goes into the button will also help. There are many of us have a These and Those box or drawer. This and That only lasted for about a week. It will help both of your posts if you give us some numbers either metric or inches.

mm stan
04-28-2013, 11:49 PM
Aloha Crafted Cow,
thank you for your response...the tuner post is a simple design of two components...the post shaft is total length of about 5mm, the top where the string goes through stop is 3/4 mm,
from there the whole round shaft is 1 1/2mm, then it is shaved on both sides of the shaft to 2/10th mm.....and the screw frozen in the post is 1 mm. the spacer is 1.1mm here is the picture....sorry for the blurryness....hope you can help thank you stan
http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad222/ukestan/001-2_zpse9a417de.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/ukestan/media/001-2_zpse9a417de.jpg.html)

chrimess
04-29-2013, 12:40 AM
Hi Sta
Glad you guys are making progress, it might still be worth cheking on GUZI65.

hmgberg
04-29-2013, 12:52 AM
Aloha Stan:

Can you remove the broken screw and replace it? I have a source for miniature screws, if that is all you need.

mm stan
04-29-2013, 10:47 AM
Aloha Stan:

Can you remove the broken screw and replace it? I have a source for miniature screws, if that is all you need.
Aloha Howie,
tried to remove the screw but it is frozen....tried heat and wd40...no success... any ideas...

hmgberg
04-29-2013, 04:38 PM
It depends how much you want to put into extracting the screw. The first thing I'd try is a couple of vise grips, one for the screw and the other for the tuner stem. If you can't move it that way, you could try a screw extractor, although I don't know if they come that small. If it were me, I'd probably try the grips and if I couldn't remove the screw, I'd just get a set of replacement tuners. Save the problem one for someday when I had plenty of patience.

mm stan
04-29-2013, 05:46 PM
Aloha Howie,
I tried with the vice grip pliers and regular....all I did was strip the threads...maybe soak it in penetrating oil or something...somebody must have some idea...keep the ideas coming...
thank you, stan

hmgberg
04-29-2013, 06:14 PM
Argh!! Screw extractor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw_extractor

http://www.stewmac.com/shopby/item/1707?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=2013-04-gp&gclid=CJeQvfrC8bYCFdNzMgodwRwAfQ

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10-pc-screw-extractor-set-w-vinyl/p-00966196000P?prdNo=2&blockNo=2&blockType=G2

mm stan
04-29-2013, 10:58 PM
Aloha Howie...
wish I had a torch and could weld a nut on the end to extract the screw...did look at those extractors and wonder if they would work of frozen metal screws as efficent as wood screws..

Patrick Madsen
04-30-2013, 05:08 AM
I think soaking it overnight in sometype of penetrating oil may help Stan. If that doesn't work, why haste with it; get a new tuner(s)

mm stan
04-30-2013, 05:40 AM
I think soaking it overnight in sometype of penetrating oil may help Stan. If that doesn't work, why haste with it; get a new tuner(s)
Aloha Pat,
I love these vintage look.. they are well made...simple design, I hope they bring them back...only one design issue, the Archilles heel is the weak screw,,,

MGM
04-30-2013, 07:11 AM
those are nice tuners and really hard to find....Last time I had a single peg I sold it on ebay for 45.00...Good luck locating another. By the way....for those who need a weird tuner or old part I have dozens of coffee cans full of old mixed up tuners pegs saddles and nuts, bridges...All taken or collected from repairs or ukes bought for parts etc....Always save all these things from old ukes if you scrap um

hawaii 50
04-30-2013, 07:14 AM
those are nice tuners and really hard to find....Last time I had a single peg I sold it on ebay for 45.00...Good luck locating another. By the way....for those who need a weird tuner or old part I have dozens of coffee cans full of old mixed up tuners pegs saddles and nuts, bridges...All taken or collected from repairs or ukes bought for parts etc....Always save all these things from old ukes if you scrap um

Hey Bruddah Mike

you PM box full..lol

my friend CJ coming to visit May 30..I hope you back from NY..he wants to meet you..he says he has no more money for a new ukes..we shall see..haha

take care of yourself..
we going to KoAloha then to the shop

David Newton
04-30-2013, 07:26 AM
If you would put a in-focus picture of the post, sitting next to a ruler so we can judge the size, someone will have a replacement part. I have two drawers full of old uke tuner pieces, I should have something.

mm stan
04-30-2013, 12:55 PM
Aloha Dave and Mike,
Here is a clearer picture of the culprit....it may be a vintage Grover....not sure on that though thank you :)
http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad222/ukestan/001-2_zps0423c659.jpg (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/ukestan/media/001-2_zps0423c659.jpg.html)

RonT
04-30-2013, 01:45 PM
Try JB Blaster, get from auto parts store. Apply a little heat then spray,....repeat. Tread lightly. My bet is that the shaft is Brass and the steel screw has oxidized itself stuck.
Cheers,
R

RyanMFT
04-30-2013, 02:10 PM
Stan, have you tried swearing at it? I often apply that tactic with no success whatsoever!

Patrick Madsen
04-30-2013, 02:13 PM
Lol Ryan, that made my day!

chrimess
04-30-2013, 02:41 PM
You should have heard me while building the banjolele later dubbed the 'Angry Uke'.
Stan, have you tried swearing at it? I often apply that tactic with no success whatsoever!

strumsilly
05-01-2013, 01:03 AM
is the shaft square brass or chrome and flat only on 2 sides?

mm stan
05-01-2013, 01:44 AM
Aloha Andy,
The Shaft half way is shaved on both sides so I can use a small cresent wrench there...and it is chrome....the screw, however I an not sure what it is....

David Newton
05-01-2013, 06:16 AM
I have quite a few of these that are 1-5/8" long.
You have chosen to measure them in MM's and they look 45mm long. Can you confirm the true measurement?

Despite my belief that MM's are a conspiracy of worldwide domination, I'd be happy to supply one for the purposes of "ukulele harmony"

mm stan
05-01-2013, 06:43 AM
Aloha David,
Yes yes they are 1 5/8" long woo hoo thank you... :0

hmgberg
05-01-2013, 04:29 PM
Hooray for David!