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Captain America
05-07-2013, 08:14 AM
I'm a fish in centerfield when trying to parse out pronunciation of Hawaiian words.

Anyone got any table or system of help here?

Bad at French, too. I can Tarzan it, though. German's more my element, after English.

haolejohn
05-07-2013, 09:00 AM
I'm a fish in centerfield when trying to parse out pronunciation of Hawaiian words.

Anyone got any table or system of help here?

Bad at French, too. I can Tarzan it, though. German's more my element, after English.

you have to pronounce all the vowels short style. and the syllables come after the vowels. so U/KU/LE/LE (to make it uke related to stay in Uke Talk).

haolejohn
05-07-2013, 09:01 AM
you have to pronounce all the vowels short style. and the syllables come after the vowels. so U/KU/LE/LE (to make it uke related to stay in Uke Talk).

I'm not expert and there are more rules than that, but that will get you by. I actually took Hawaiian language classes for half a year. But that was 12 years ago.

mpatzer
05-07-2013, 10:29 AM
The full phonology can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_language#Phonology

In general, for a Haole, just pronounce every letter (no silent letters like English).

Disclosure: I'm the developer of the Hawaiian Words app for iPhone/iPad (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hawaiian-words/id473867297)

Kanaka916
05-07-2013, 12:08 PM
No mo fo Android?

Tonya
05-07-2013, 01:40 PM
I also have a bit of a "very basics of Hawaiian" primer for folks on my site. http://ukuleletonya.com/blog/files

I created my "Hawaiian Language Primer" for folks in our ukulele club who were having some difficulty with pronouncing some of the words in songs they wanted to sing. What's most challenging to get across, though, is the rhythm of the pronunciation. For that, as a non-Hawaiian, I've really picked up a lot by *listening* to the language whenever/wherever I can; you can go here and watch/listen as the Hawaiian language is taught: http://ksdl.ksbe.edu/kulaiwi/index.html

SonSprinter
05-08-2013, 12:27 AM
you have to pronounce all the vowels short style. ...
Well not for "o," which is pronounced long, as in "hope."



and the syllables come after the vowels. so U/KU/LE/LE (to make it uke related to stay in Uke Talk).
When ever there are two same vowels together, then there is always a glottlestop (not sure of spelling), which, I think is also called an okina (in Hawaiian). So, Hawaii is technically Hawai'i. Kaho'olawe. Ni'ihau.

The letter "w" is always pronounced as a "v."

When two vowels are next to each other, well, you just have to know the word, if you want to know if there is glottlestop/okina between them. Kai (meaning ocean, does not have any glottlestop/okina between the vowels). Kaua'i. Mau'i. Lana'i. I can't remember if it is O'ahu or 'Oahu.

Technically, there is also a Kakou (not sure of spelling), which draws out the sound of the vowel longer.

And, yes, as referred to above, there is no silent "e;" which always makes the short (i.e., "pet" dog) sound.

Trinimon
05-08-2013, 03:25 AM
The letter "w" is always pronounced as a "v."


I was told the W is pronounced as a "V" when it comes after another letter like Haleiwa but as a "W" if it is the first letter of the word eg Waimānalo. Is this incorrect?

Gadzukes!
05-08-2013, 05:01 AM
The full phonology can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_language#Phonology

In general, for a Haole, just pronounce every letter (no silent letters like English).

Disclosure: I'm the developer of the Hawaiian Words app for iPhone/iPad (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hawaiian-words/id473867297)

I have that app! I like it. :)

Tailgate
05-08-2013, 05:39 AM
I'm a fish in centerfield when trying to parse out pronunciation of Hawaiian words.

Anyone got any table or system of help here?

Bad at French, too. I can Tarzan it, though. German's more my element, after English.


Aldrine does a easy, quick UKE 101 lesson on this. http://ukuleleunderground.com/lessons/hawaiian-ukulele-101-1-hawaiian-language-vamps/ Apologies if it is one of the paid content videos (I'm a member) but it's worth clicking on to see if you can view it.

Kanaka916
05-08-2013, 11:27 AM
Aldrine does a easy, quick UKE 101 lesson on this. http://ukuleleunderground.com/lessons/hawaiian-ukulele-101-1-hawaiian-language-vamps/ Apologies if it is one of the paid content videos (I'm a member) but it's worth clicking on to see if you can view it.
One needs a UU+ account to view the video . . .

Kamanaaloha
05-08-2013, 01:37 PM
use this...it is not exactly as I learned it but you should get the basics. If you have ever taken a Spanish course the vowels in the Hawaiian language are similar. Meaning "a" is pronounced ah..."e" is pronounced eh..."i" is pronounced ee..."o" is pronounced oh...and "u" is pronounced oo. I hope this helps.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpsOaoO1QIo

Gadzukes!
05-08-2013, 03:55 PM
That song is horrible.

1014
05-08-2013, 04:25 PM
That song is horrible.

kulikuli. the video is for keiki. keep your pilau comments to yourself.

SonSprinter
05-08-2013, 10:05 PM
I was told the W is pronounced as a "V" when it comes after another letter like Haleiwa but as a "W" if it is the first letter of the word eg Waimānalo. Is this incorrect?I have never heard this, but it certainly would explain, Waikiki, waipahu, wahiawa, waianae, wahine, etc.

Kanaka916
05-09-2013, 04:48 AM
That song is horrible.
Why? It's a tool to assist and teach kids olelo Hawaii. It gets it's point across and the kids retain it. It's not a song that needs to be melodic or popular.

Trinimon
05-09-2013, 08:22 AM
I have never heard this, but it certainly would explain, Waikiki, waipahu, wahiawa, waianae, wahine, etc.

Yeah, one of the locals on the Big Island told me that so I figured, well who's better to know than a local.

Gadzukes!
05-09-2013, 09:17 AM
Sorry, everyone, didn't mean to sound insensitive. You're right, it has a different purpose than a traditional song, but it just seems so un-song-like to me. Whatever works, I guess.