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tangimango
08-29-2013, 12:51 AM
which top do you prefer between these two?

Englemann Spruce or Alaskan Sitka

BlackBearUkes
08-29-2013, 03:57 AM
Sitka, every time.

Radio Flyer
08-30-2013, 10:57 AM
no love for engleman? i'm not a luthier but i know guitar makers save the engleman for their better guitars and use it for bracing due to it's sound transmitting properties. i don't know what effects it has on a uke but it seems it would be a viable choice if it's available (i've heard it's in short supply).

Dan Uke
08-30-2013, 11:39 AM
sitka for me too. I like quick attacking notes and not a big fan ef englemann or cedar.

BlackBearUkes
08-30-2013, 02:32 PM
no love for engleman? i'm not a luthier but i know guitar makers save the engleman for their better guitars and use it for bracing due to it's sound transmitting properties. i don't know what effects it has on a uke but it seems it would be a viable choice if it's available (i've heard it's in short supply).

I know of no luthiers who use Englemann for bracing stock. In my experience, Englemann is softer and less stiff.

Radio Flyer
08-30-2013, 02:41 PM
i think i got adirondack and englemann mixed up. like i said, i'm not a luthier!

steelerboy329
09-01-2013, 04:17 AM
I'd go with Sitka over Englemann as well.

Eyeguy
09-01-2013, 03:56 PM
Not to nitpick, but it's spelled Engelmann.

Dan Uke
09-01-2013, 04:08 PM
Not to nitpick, but it's spelled Engelmann.

Thanks Iguy...I'll make a note of it

gyosh
09-01-2013, 05:04 PM
Thanks Iguy...I'll make a note of it

::snork::



tenletters

blue_knight_usa
09-01-2013, 06:04 PM
How about Adirondack for a top?


Sitka, every time.

Doc_J
09-01-2013, 06:12 PM
How about Adirondack for a top?


Yes, I get confused about all the differences between spruces.:confused:

Sitka
Red
Adirondack
German
European
Moon
Silver
Lutz
Blue
.....

and I won't even discuss pines (Huon, King Billy, ....)

Dan Uke
09-01-2013, 06:17 PM
I think you forgot

Alpine
Carpathian
Swiss

or are they already represented by European? I am confused!!



Yes, I get confused about all the differences between spruces.:confused:

Sitka
Red
Adirondack
German
European
Moon
Silver
Lutz
Blue
.....

and I won't even discuss pines (Huon, King Billy, ....)

mm stan
09-02-2013, 03:28 AM
As much as the types or species of top, the cut also makes a big difference too and what part of the tree or the tree itself.....

Doc_J
09-02-2013, 04:34 AM
Here's a very nice description of many different soundboard tone woods.

http://www.apersguitar.com/_blog/Blog/post/Tone_Wood_for_Sound_Boards/

Radio Flyer
09-02-2013, 05:05 AM
also 'rich corinthian' spruce, you can't get any, but it's the absolute best.

saltytri
09-02-2013, 05:10 AM
Yes, I get confused about all the differences between spruces.:confused:

Sitka
Red
Adirondack
German
European
Moon
Silver
Lutz
Blue
.....

and I won't even discuss pines (Huon, King Billy, ....)

Many of the marketing labels used by European sources actually refer to picea abies. So German, European, Carpathian and any number of others are the same species. Differences among growing conditions are said to yield different characteristics. My guess is that differences in skill and knowledge and integrity among harvesters and marketers accounts for much of the variation in the available product.

BlackBearUkes
09-02-2013, 02:33 PM
Many of the marketing labels used by European sources actually refer to picea abies. So German, European, Carpathian and any number of others are the same species. Differences among growing conditions are said to yield different characteristics. My guess is that differences in skill and knowledge and integrity among harvesters and marketers accounts for much of the variation in the available product.

I have to disagree with some of this information. I have used several, including German and Carpathian and they are completely different from each other. Yes, there are some who take advantage of unknowing builders, so you have to have good resources.

Hippie Dribble
09-02-2013, 02:39 PM
My favourite spruce is a hot shower, a shave and a bowtie. But each to their own.... :p

saltytri
09-02-2013, 05:34 PM
I have to disagree with some of this information. I have used several, including German and Carpathian and they are completely different from each other. Yes, there are some who take advantage of unknowing builders, so you have to have good resources.

I'm not sure what you disagree with or that we disagree at all.

Here is an interesting article: http://www.lutherie.net/eurospruce.html

Steveperrywriter
09-02-2013, 05:55 PM
It would seem to me to depend on a whole bunch of factors -- the particular piece, the design, the luthier's skill and art. I have a tenor ook with an Engelmann top, with back and sides of Osage Orange, and it is a terrific instrument, great tone, a cannon. Much brighter than my all koa, whose tone is mellow and warm. Different luthiers, different wood, different sensibilities ...

Steve

tangimango
09-10-2013, 09:55 PM
great article. basically the sought after german spruce is Engelmann


I'm not sure what you disagree with or that we disagree at all.

Here is an interesting article: http://www.lutherie.net/eurospruce.html

BlackBearUkes
09-11-2013, 03:48 AM
great article. basically the sought after german spruce is Engelmann

Engelmann from the USA and Canada, is nothing like the European or German spruce that I have worked with. Its like I said before, you have to now your dealer and have some knowledge of spruces.