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hucklelele
10-16-2013, 04:50 PM
And preferably lower end price?

not that I'm interested in buying anything,
but I'm feeling like my concert sized uke would be more true to original sound if it were proprtionately fatter instead of just mostly wider

it's only 1/4 thicker than my best soprano, but more proportionately wider
It seems like the shape is just more guitar like than a larger soprano
I'm wondering why

any thoughts or revelations?

1300cc
10-16-2013, 05:19 PM
5990659905 how about this

hucklelele
10-16-2013, 06:52 PM
I'm sorry, by "fatter" I mean thicker

more true to original uke shape

mds725
10-16-2013, 07:14 PM
I'm sorry, by "fatter" I mean thicker

more true to original uke shape

Do you mean there's more distance between the soundboard and the back? There are probably lots of different ways an ukulele can be "fatter" or "thicker," so it pays to describe what you want with as much precision as you can.

TheCraftedCow
10-16-2013, 07:39 PM
A cavaco and a cavaquinho are the same instrument. They look like a concert on steroids. Giannini has a wide range of prices available. A balalaika with an additional peg makes a wonderful large body long neck concert.

tangimango
10-16-2013, 07:41 PM
fatter isnt really a good thing. :) truer sound? as in tenor sound? you can try play a kala travel ukulele, its only 1 inch thick. very thin design but does it play loud.(maybe due to the achback). theres ukuleles 5x fatter then that and cannot yeild the same volume. so being fatter probably will do nothing. i do like the thin but wider ukuleles, (thin body with a wide body for 15" scale). they sound sweet.

coolkayaker1
10-17-2013, 05:50 AM
Mike Pereira MP custom sopranos have a generous bass tone due to a wider and slightly larger body. There's a custom on eBay now at half off the cost of new. They are great ukuleles (a back search for threads about them on UU will reveal the details).

Uke Republic
10-17-2013, 06:03 AM
Kamoa Grand concert has a broader lower bout that produces more bass tone than many. It looks a bit like a dread or Ditson.

hucklelele
10-17-2013, 07:29 AM
I'm actually thinking about more replicating the "bell tone" of a soprano-
I think a thicker body- "deeper" if you will,
will more round the total resonance equally,

whereas a standard concert as it is tends to emphasis the bass a little more
and the sound driven to the sides does not relect back and forth as much

I was crudely timing the length of the resonance between several ukuleles, and I found the mahogany soprano was actually carrying the resonance up to a full second longer than a Cordoba laminate concert. It just seems to me the deeper body lets the overtones vibrate around more like a bell itself,
while the flattish and wide concert shape makes it more guitar-like- the body doesn't vibrate with resonance quite as long

the shape simply doesn't have the same percussive quality
it's like the difference betwwen a bass drum and a snare drum, irrespective of volume otherwise.

BlackBearUkes
10-17-2013, 10:01 AM
I'm actually thinking about more replicating the "bell tone" of a soprano-
I think a thicker body- "deeper" if you will,
will more round the total resonance equally,

whereas a standard concert as it is tends to emphasis the bass a little more
and the sound driven to the sides does not relect back and forth as much

I was crudely timing the length of the resonance between several ukuleles, and I found the mahogany soprano was actually carrying the resonance up to a full second longer than a Cordoba laminate concert. It just seems to me the deeper body lets the overtones vibrate around more like a bell itself,
while the flattish and wide concert shape makes it more guitar-like- the body doesn't vibrate with resonance quite as long

the shape simply doesn't have the same percussive quality
it's like the difference betwwen a bass drum and a snare drum, irrespective of volume otherwise.

Interesting theory, but it doesn't work like that. If you make the body cavity too big for the soprano or concert scale, the tone gets muddy, not bassy. This has all been thought out with years of study and experimentation, no need to try and reinvent the wheel.

You might be better off trying different woods and strings, rather than the body depth.

Tootler
10-17-2013, 10:59 AM
fatter isnt really a good thing. :) truer sound? as in tenor sound? you can try play a kala travel ukulele, its only 1 inch thick. very thin design but does it play loud.(maybe due to the achback). theres ukuleles 5x fatter then that and cannot yeild the same volume. so being fatter probably will do nothing. i do like the thin but wider ukuleles, (thin body with a wide body for 15" scale). they sound sweet.

Volume isn't everything.

Up to a point, a deeper body gives you more fullness of tone. I found that last weekend when I was able to compare a Bruko travel soprano with their regular No 6 soprano. Both had about the same volume but the deeper body of the No6 had a fuller, richer tone.

hucklelele
10-17-2013, 11:04 AM
Well you really haven't heard what I've said- I'm talking more about basically a bigger soprano, without the geo-political status of Hawaii turniing it into a western world guitar- It would look like a soprano - the body would not be proportionately wider, but the depth would be expanded proprtionately to match the larger size-

keeping the more traditional round shape of the soprano-

and yes, it DOES work that way - the liberty bell is round-
if you wanted to make a bigger one, you wouldn't want to proportionately flatten it out and make it wider
the sound waves oscillate better in a round cavity, not a flat one
where they rebound back and forth, not to find a distant corner to defray themselves in shorter waves

"Concert size" is scarcely a wheel to reinvent-
it's some 1920-ish reinventiion from what I understand

all things established for any length of time have an "el- manning" or lemming aspect generally.

I'd be willing to bet that with the same body material and strings otherwise,
a thicker bodied uke would hold resonance longer when plucked with the same force

Spud1$
10-17-2013, 11:23 AM
5990659905 how about this

I can't stop looking at theses!! They are so beautiful!

hucklelele
10-17-2013, 11:49 AM
Then you should check out what's coming out of Vietnam on ebay-
many look very similar to that-
most are under bid, but have a $60 shipping fee off the top

BlackBearUkes
10-17-2013, 02:33 PM
Well you really haven't heard what I've said- I'm talking more about basically a bigger soprano, without the geo-political status of Hawaii turniing it into a western world guitar- It would look like a soprano - the body would not be proportionately wider, but the depth would be expanded proprtionately to match the larger size-

keeping the more traditional round shape of the soprano-

and yes, it DOES work that way - the liberty bell is round-
if you wanted to make a bigger one, you wouldn't want to proportionately flatten it out and make it wider
the sound waves oscillate better in a round cavity, not a flat one
where they rebound back and forth, not to find a distant corner to defray themselves in shorter waves

"Concert size" is scarcely a wheel to reinvent-
it's some 1920-ish reinventiion from what I understand

all things established for any length of time have an "el- manning" or lemming aspect generally.

I'd be willing to bet that with the same body material and strings otherwise,
a thicker bodied uke would hold resonance longer when plucked with the same force

I find this misinformation to be nonsense. He you think it works that way, build it and share it with this community.

PhilUSAFRet
10-17-2013, 02:55 PM
Kamoa Grand concert. Several price ranges.

http://kamoaukulelecompany.com/ukuleles_list.php

1300cc
10-17-2013, 04:39 PM
I can't stop looking at theses!! They are so beautiful!

this was custom made for me in australia.......tasmanian blackwood for back and sides and china fir for the top and its a 15 fret joined to the neck......if you search maurice guitars on facebook theres mor pics

AndrewKuker
10-17-2013, 06:15 PM
Well you really haven't heard what I've said- I'm talking more about basically a bigger soprano, without the geo-political status of Hawaii turniing it into a western world guitar- It would look like a soprano - the body would not be proportionately wider, but the depth would be expanded proprtionately to match the larger size-

keeping the more traditional round shape of the soprano-

and yes, it DOES work that way - the liberty bell is round-
if you wanted to make a bigger one, you wouldn't want to proportionately flatten it out and make it wider
the sound waves oscillate better in a round cavity, not a flat one
where they rebound back and forth, not to find a distant corner to defray themselves in shorter waves

"Concert size" is scarcely a wheel to reinvent-
it's some 1920-ish reinventiion from what I understand

all things established for any length of time have an "el- manning" or lemming aspect generally.

I'd be willing to bet that with the same body material and strings otherwise,
a thicker bodied uke would hold resonance longer when plucked with the same force

This video and review covers one example of body depth and it's effect- two-koaloha-tenor-bodies-compared/ (http://theukulelereview.com/two-koaloha-tenor-bodies-compared/)
Listen with some good headphones or monitors because it was recorded with much effort for true comparison, true play back is also required for judgement. See what you think.

tangimango
10-17-2013, 06:31 PM
perfect example, Koaloha are relatively thin design compared to most ukulele makers, but still loud, full, rich in sound. so a fatter ukulele is going to do nothing big, its all in the builder to make it sound great. if not all ukuleles will be box shaped.


This video and review covers one example of body depth and it's effect- two-koaloha-tenor-bodies-compared/ (http://theukulelereview.com/two-koaloha-tenor-bodies-compared/)
Listen with some good headphones or monitors because it was recorded with much effort for true comparison, true play back is also required for judgement. See what you think.

tangimango
10-17-2013, 06:40 PM
yes I understand what your trying to say from your first post. a soprano body size but with a larger volume body by making the space between the sound board and back wider spaced(fatter depth). but its does not work that way like a bell you mentioned. but if that's what you want I say go for it. i think it would be a cool build.


Well you really haven't heard what I've said- I'm talking more about basically a bigger soprano, without the geo-political status of Hawaii turniing it into a western world guitar- It would look like a soprano - the body would not be proportionately wider, but the depth would be expanded proprtionately to match the larger size-

keeping the more traditional round shape of the soprano-

and yes, it DOES work that way - the liberty bell is round-
if you wanted to make a bigger one, you wouldn't want to proportionately flatten it out and make it wider
the sound waves oscillate better in a round cavity, not a flat one
where they rebound back and forth, not to find a distant corner to defray themselves in shorter waves

"Concert size" is scarcely a wheel to reinvent-
it's some 1920-ish reinventiion from what I understand

all things established for any length of time have an "el- manning" or lemming aspect generally.

I'd be willing to bet that with the same body material and strings otherwise,
a thicker bodied uke would hold resonance longer when plucked with the same force

hucklelele
10-17-2013, 07:39 PM
I think the video example above shows exactly what I'm saying- you can't tell much difference between the thin and normal shaped bodies when he's playing fingerstyle, but at the end when they cut between the strumming, even on my laptop speakers, there's definitely more of a ringing bell tone- to the fatter deeper body

you simply can't argue against physics no matter what sacred cows your "expertise" wants to believe in-
a flatter object does not echo sound around inside it like a rounded one,
and your comments about making space between the soundboard and back- explained easily to those who speak english as "fatter" or "depth"-

really could only apply to volume
when using shoddy materials and sleazy cheap skinny flourocarbon strings-

with some fortissimo in the mix, the RESONANCE is greater-
and the bell-like quality that I think made the ukulele famous is more enhanced

and heard easily in the video example above-
if it looks more like a classical guitar than a uke, it's probably gonna sound more like a guitar
all things being equal otherwise.

big plucker
10-25-2013, 05:31 AM
Gretch 9110SM
$270 new with case from hms.
I played with one in a local shop.
It felt more substantial in my hands. Had a more 'chunky' sweet sound to it.
Might be a consideration for you.
BP

Spud1$
10-25-2013, 05:36 AM
this was custom made for me in australia.......tasmanian blackwood for back and sides and china fir for the top and its a 15 fret joined to the neck......if you search maurice guitars on facebook theres mor pics
I wanted to thank you for the info I think they are breath taking!!