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uke4ia
11-20-2013, 04:52 PM
Sometime between 5 and 6:30 PM tonight, something in YouTube changed, and now I cannot access the Video Manager or Settings pages for my account, or the Upload page. I just get an error message saying "There was an issue logging me into YouTube", and instead of my username showing up in the upper right, I see a "Sign In" button. If I click on that button, I just repeatedly get the same error page.

I left a writeup of the problem on the YouTube help page but I haven't gotten any response.

I've been unable to access the Analytics functions since late March. I've been getting this same error page. When I asked for help on that one from YouTube, the response I got was "Over my head as to why how to get rid of it."

So unless someone in YouTube actually provides help and gets me back to where I can access basic functions like uploading and managing videos, my YouTube account is finished.

bird's eye view of my ukelele
11-20-2013, 05:18 PM
whoa that's not good

can you paste in over here what their response was??? did they tell you stuff to do but it all just sounded like nonsense?

myrnaukelele
11-20-2013, 06:02 PM
Oh I am so sorry to hear of your YT troubles uke4ia! Hopefully it will sort itself out. If worst comes to worst make a new YT channel using Uke4ia with a capital U.
For what it's worth- i went to YT and clicked on your channel and subscribed to you! So your channel is still there and we can still see it.
Hope you can access it soon- you need to be able to upload.
Do you have other Google accounts? Google is messing with mine as well- I've refused to sign up for Google+ They want me to be Myrna Ukelele instead of myrnaukelele. Google is making such a mess of YT. :(

bnolsen
11-20-2013, 06:24 PM
hopefully just a temp bug. after the google+ integration (last week?) i couldn't type comments with firefox for a couple of days.

uke4ia
11-20-2013, 06:25 PM
whoa that's not good

can you paste in over here what their response was??? did they tell you stuff to do but it all just sounded like nonsense?

They haven't given me a response yet. For a massive operation, YouTube goes out of their way not to have anything a computer user would recognize as a real "Help" function. They also don't have anything on a YouTube web page that you can click on to seek help. But if you follow one link to another to another, eventually you come to this:
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!forum/youtube/categories
And you can leave a cry for help that may or may not be responded to. It's not clear to me whether the people who do respond are even Google/YouTube employees or just amateur self-declared experts. Most of what I see there right now is thousands of people screaming about the whole Google-Plus thing. :D

Myrna, I can see my page, but I can't do anything with it now. I can't upload videos. I can't edit info for the videos that are already up. I can't get at my account/user settings to see if I could adjust a setting that would help.

librainian
11-20-2013, 08:13 PM
Couple of questions.

1. Does the same thing happen in multiple browsers?

2. Have you tried clearing all associated cookies and other cached data related to YouTube from your browser?

bird's eye view of my ukelele
11-20-2013, 10:29 PM
They haven't given me a response yet.
of course they haven't. what was i thinking???! as you say you can't ask them anything in a meaningful way ie. email/contact them via the site and get a response. i've used the forums etc before ie. gone looking for help with something, it seems to be mostly other regular peeps trying to help eachother out


Most of what I see there right now is thousands of people screaming about the whole Google-Plus thing. :D
indeed

WHAT THE FRICKING FRACK WERE THEY THINKING WHEN THEY MESSED YOUTUBE UP WITH THIS GOOGLE PLUS MADNESS???

redpaul1
11-20-2013, 11:17 PM
I've refused to sign up for Google+ They want me to be Myrna Ukelele instead of myrnaukelele. Google is making such a mess of YT. :(

G+ want you to be Myrna Ukulele, because Google (aka the Chocolate Factory) has a policy of not accepting 'usernames'. Their argument is that YT has suffered in the past with too many trolls hiding behind anonymous/unidentifiable YT handles. If, their 'argument' [sic] goes, people have to use their real names on YT, they'll be more reluctant to behave badly. Make of that what you will, but that's their policy and there's no getting around it...

...except, you can set 'myrnaukulele' up as a G+ page, managed by you, Myrna Ukulele, your 'official' G+ a/c profile; a profile with which you need (i.e., don't have to) do anything. The profile 'Myrna Ukulele' will[I] get a YT (& a Gmail!) a/c associated with it by default, called 'Myrna Ukulele', but you don't have to use the profile or any of its associated a/c's in any way: so you never post there; no-one ever goes there; looks at, or in anyway interacts with it.

Similarily, you don't have to add anyone to your page's 'Circles' either, so nothing you say will be visible to the wider G+ world; unless they actively seek you out, of course, but their only link to your G+ page will be your 'myrnaukulele' YT a/c - and they won't be able to read anything there that they can't read on your YT a/c.

In other words, to keep the Chocolate Factory happy, you set up a holding company 'Myrna Ukulele'; but trade publically on YT as 'myrnaukulele', thereby keeping [I]you happy.

This is what I've done. You'll find me here: redpaul101 on G+ (https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/107557220478002470551/107557220478002470551/about/p/pub). Take a look and compare it with my YT Profile (https://www.youtube.com/user/redpaul101/).

Neither entity has to engage in any G+ activity (i.e., adding people/institutions to 'Circles' etc), btw. And the beautiful thing about all of the above, is... the whole set-up would be achieved without letting the Chocolate Factory know your actual name!!
I'm assuming of course that 'Ukulele' does form no part of your name :)

wee_ginga_yin
11-21-2013, 12:59 AM
I think that they must have a Pavlovian psychologist working for them, because of that
little bell up in the corner of the YT page… just as dogs begin to salivate at the anticipation
of getting food when a bell has been run, so it is the the G+ bell. When it rings to show
activity on our accounts, we are now being conditioned to press that bell to find out
what is going on.

Meantime in a G+ boardroom executives from the adverting world are being shown
pie chart of the exponential growth of subscriptions and content over the past week or so
and go away being persuaded that folks are flocking to G+ in droves and that it is
a rip roaring success.

Whereas all that is happening is a Pavlovian bell has been ringing. All of those blue faceless
heads that we see for avatars means that folks have subscribed but are not really active on
G+ and the advertisers and broadcasting their messages into empty rooms… Meanwhile G+are
laughing all the way to the bank.

wee_ginga_yin
11-21-2013, 01:08 AM
Regarding signing in to YT, a related problem I found when uploading videos from iMovie
was that it refused to log me in if I used my username weegingayin… kept on saying my username
or password were incorrect… I thought I was typing it in wrong… checked and checked but to
no avail. It was only when I tried my Gmail address instead of my username did it work.

Have you tried that?

pabrizzer
11-21-2013, 01:15 AM
Regarding signing in to YT, a related problem I found when uploading videos from iMovie
was that it refused to log me in if I used my username weegingayin… kept on saying my username
or password were incorrect… I thought I was typing it in wrong… checked and checked but to
no avail. It was only when I tried my Gmail address instead of my username did it work.

Have you tried that?

I have this problem with iMovie. I have been exporting the movie then going to YouTube to upload. I'll try the Gmail thing.
The whole Google+ has been dreadful really.
It is great to be able to share our videos and it is free but they get to screw us any way they want.

uke4ia
11-21-2013, 01:23 AM
Couple of questions.

1. Does the same thing happen in multiple browsers?

2. Have you tried clearing all associated cookies and other cached data related to YouTube from your browser?

1. I didn't try Firefox yesterday. But for the Analytics, where this has been going on since March, the same thing happens in Firefox.

2. I tried clearing YouTube and Google cookies from the Temporary Internet Files. But in Windows Vista they are also stored in another place with names that don't allow you to identify whose cookie each one is. I did not do a cache dump.

Tootler
11-21-2013, 01:58 AM
When I saw Jim's message, I went to You Tube and found that they have me logged in as TootlingGeoff but the little account link at the top right has me as Geoff Walker. Click on that and it shows no activity. I can't access video manager or my inbox.

They have been pestering me for some time to change my You Tube name to Geoff Walker and I have been refusing. I can understand their desire to reduce Trolling and trying to cut offensive comments but they're not going the right way about it. Why not let you keep your You Tube name but insist on your real name being displayed in your publicly visible profile. Also have a prominently displayed "Report" button.

Maybe that's too mucho for their simple little minds. I was trying to avoid the faff of following Paul's procedure. It looks like I'll have to set myself up as a "band" like you do in Farcebook.

Should we consider going over to Vimeo for the seasons? I don't know how they manage copyright material which is why I haven't signed up with them so far though I would have no problems with my traditional songs. With Soundcloud and Alonetone audio sites I have only uploaded stuff that is out of copyright or for which I own the copyright.

Tootler
11-21-2013, 07:03 AM
Update.

I went to upload another video for season 92. When I clicked on You Tube there I was as TootlinGeoff in the top right hand corner. The difference? My earlier check had been on my iPad but I was uploading from Firefox on my PC. It's looking more like cock up than conspiracy, but whatever, Google need to sort themselves out.

It just reinforces my feeling that You Tube and tablets don't get on. My experience with You Tube and tablets - iPad or Android is that they only provide limited functionality so that anything other than watching videos is problematic. If I need to do anything other than just watch videos, I always go to my PC.

SeattleSean
11-21-2013, 08:58 AM
I absolutely hate being forced by The Man to do anything. So, this whole G+ thing has been an ugly, naked power grab by Google to force us to get social the Google way.

How 'bout proving better service as a way to induce people to use your products instead of turning us into human foie gras by force-feeding G+ down our throats. Maybe my having recently read Dave Eggers "The Circle" has me a bit more on edge than I otherwise would be, but it's pretty eerie to see how some of the cautionary notes from The Circle are actually becoming reality.

Ah, that rant felt good! Hope you get your stuff sorted out.

hoosierhiver
11-21-2013, 09:28 AM
Since the Google attack I can't get audio on some of my subscriptions, what fun is watching a ukulele video without sound?
Today the "guide" on the left side of the screen keeps popping up for every video, blocking about 1/3 of the screen until I click on it.

uke4ia
11-21-2013, 12:00 PM
Since the Google attack I can't get audio on some of my subscriptions, what fun is watching a ukulele video without sound?
Today the "guide" on the left side of the screen keeps popping up for every video, blocking about 1/3 of the screen until I click on it.
Maybe someone who's upset with the Google+ change has hacked YouTube's system, and they just won't admit it to us?


Since last night, I've gotten a response from one of "YouTube's little helpers" on the Google Products Forum. It mostly asked me for some more specifics on particular items. But at least someone has heard my cry in the darkness. So I'm hopeful. :uhoh:

♪ Sitting here in limbo.... ♫

pabrizzer
11-23-2013, 02:10 PM
Since the Google attack I can't get audio on some of my subscriptions, what fun is watching a ukulele video without sound?
Today the "guide" on the left side of the screen keeps popping up for every video, blocking about 1/3 of the screen until I click on it.

That Guide menu is starting to drive me bonkers. Is anyone else having to close it ALL the time?

uke4ia
11-24-2013, 11:09 AM
The Google Products Forum had me try a few things. When those didn't work, they referred me to Google's actual in-house support staff. Due to exhaustion and yardwork, I have only just gotten around to writing up and sending them the help request. So I think I'm on the right track. But I don't know if I'll be back in time for this week's Season.

hoosierhiver
11-24-2013, 05:41 PM
That Guide menu is starting to drive me bonkers. Is anyone else having to close it ALL the time?

yup, every time

uke4ia
11-25-2013, 05:02 PM
Okay, progress is being made. I can now get at Video Manager, Uploads, Settings, and my list of subscribers in Mozilla, but not in IE. However, I can reply to comments and see Google Notifications in IE, and not in Mozilla. I can sort of do everything, but it takes me two browsers to do it. :confused:

uke4ia
11-25-2013, 06:10 PM
Of course, this is YouTube/Google I'm dealing with. I suspect the eventual answer is that it will only work properly if the browser is Google Chrome.

redpaul1
11-27-2013, 01:26 PM
Okay, progress is being made. I can now get at Video Manager, Uploads, Settings, and my list of subscribers in Mozilla, but not in IE. However, I can reply to comments and see Google Notifications in IE, and not in Mozilla. I can sort of do everything, but it takes me two browsers to do it. :confused:

I don't know which flavour of Mozilla you're using, but I use Firefox. I discovered that I had to change my Privacy settings in order to be able to use Firefox to respond to YT/G+ comments. Specifically, I had to set 'Accept third-party cookies:' to 'From visited' instead of 'Never'. I then set 'Keep until:' to 'I close Firefox'.

If you haven't tried that, see if that works. It's not optimal, but what in any of this imbroglio is?

uke4ia
11-29-2013, 03:36 PM
Thanks, Redpaul. That worked in Firefox.

redpaul1
11-29-2013, 05:52 PM
Thanks, Redpaul. That worked in Firefox.


That's good. So does that mean you're now fully up and running in at least one browser?

uke4ia
11-29-2013, 07:12 PM
Yep. I'm up and running in Firefox. It's clear now that it's a browser issue in IE too, but I've tried several things to fix it, and nothing has worked there.

uke4ia
12-02-2013, 05:27 PM
Firefox is working, but uploads using Firefox are slooooooooow!! I have a four minute video uploading, and it's going to take 3 hours with Firefox. With IE, I could load a video that long in under 30 minutes.

mm stan
12-02-2013, 06:18 PM
I too am having problems with even watching videos anymore on internet Explorer...it says I have to update my adobe flash player..well I did and still get the same issue....
this has been several weeks... I knew it was not my computer because, first my main computer it happened too after the windows update, then I fired up my backup
computer without the windows update and it worked fine until it did an auto windows update and now it is the same as my main computer... at first I thought it was a compatiable issue
so I called microsoft(half hour), my company HP to help me..(10 and half hours) and my norton ( another hour half) and they tried everything...mind you these are all specialist IT people
and they could not sort it out....
they told me to use google chrome and Mozilla fire fox which worked...I was about to do a clear everything on my computer when I could not resolve this...I figure if the specialists cannot do this
in half a day I am doomed...at the ending they tell me it's a bug probally in their new program either designed that way or not... WTF pissed off as Sh*t...
Whether it's you tube only and or internet explorer also , scr8w them both... they had a lot of time to fix this, guess it was designed this way intentially...shoots

myrnaukelele
12-02-2013, 06:19 PM
That is so odd uke4ia. I only use Firefox and often it takes me only 5 or 10 minutes to load a video. I have never had to wait longer than 25 minutes for a video to load. Something is definitely wrong if it's taking you three hours to load a video. I have a PC- could it have something to do with the type of device you're using to upload?

myrnaukelele
12-02-2013, 06:33 PM
I too am having problems with even watching videos anymore on internet Explorer...
Whether it's you tube only and or internet explorer also , scr8w them both... they had a lot of time to fix this, guess it was designed this way intentially...shoots
stan - that's awful! So sorry to hear you're having problems too.
This whole Google plus thing on YouTube is a nightmare. Google took a site that was working well and screwed it all up just to make a buck.

Tootler
12-02-2013, 11:19 PM
I too use Firefox and, like Myrna, it takes typically 5 - 10 mins to upload to You Tube. My computer is running Linux, however.

redpaul1
12-02-2013, 11:45 PM
I too use Firefox and, like Myrna, it takes typically 5 - 10 mins to upload to You Tube. My computer is running Linux, however.

Surely it's not the browser or the OS that's the issue in upload speeds, but your broadband connection and the volume of all uploads to YT at the time you begin uploading that determines your speed.

In any case, 5-10 minutes? I'd die for upload speeds that quick at my flat. 25-45 minutes is the normal upload speed. I run Firefox on a 2008 MacBook Pro using OS 10.9

If I'm uploading from my friend's computer, again, using Firefox on an HP 6000 Laptop running Vista, upload speeds are a lot faster, but her broadband connection is fibre-optic.

Out of interest. I've just tried opening YT in IE on her machine and leaving a comment, and had no issues doing so. I'm in the process of uploading a 3 minute video to YT via IE, and it's reporting an upload time of 4 minutes.

So, what do we learn from this? Your guess is as good as mine :) Even so, I'm convinced that upload speeds have nothing (or very little) to do with your equipment or software, and everything to do with the state of your broadband, and with YT's servers at the moment of upload.

uke4ia
12-03-2013, 01:12 AM
I left the computer on overnight to upload the video. And when I looked at it again, eight hours after the upload started, it told me it still needed another 25 minutes to complete the upload!

redpaul1
12-03-2013, 01:55 AM
I left the computer on overnight to upload the video. And when I looked at it again, eight hours after the upload started, it told me it still needed another 25 minutes to complete the upload!

Oof! I hate to say this, but I bet once it has finished uploading, it'll fail in 'processing'. Fingers crossed it doesn't, but that's been my experience whenever I've experienced excessive upload times (say 2 hours plus).

Ack! p.s., I'm back at my place now. Remind me next time I'm over at my friends to check how her IE is set up and report back. You never know, it might be something completely simple that needs to be changed in your settings to get IE & YT/G+ to work together.

Tootler
12-03-2013, 03:00 AM
I agree with Paul that the main determinant of upload speed is likely to be the broadband connection. I have fibre optic BB and both upload and download speeds. Traffic levels will also have an impact.

Internal factors such as the connection to BB in the house. I use home plug to connect to my PC upstairs (a HP laptop) as its internal wifi card has gone on the blink. The old Devolo units I was using recently failed so I got some new high speed ones and there was a marked increase in speed. An old router can also act to hold things back.

I don't think the browser is likely to have much to do with it, though I have seen a lot of criticisms of recent versions of IE. It sounds as if IE is getting left behind while others move ahead, though I never much liked IE anyway. I started out with Netscape and mostly stuck with that then Mozilla when Netscape went into serious decline. I did quite like Chrome but gave up on that when it disabled Flash after Adobe stopped providing a Linux version. Other browsers managed to find alternatives.

wee_ginga_yin
12-03-2013, 03:29 AM
I have been running Safari on my Mac and the FLASH plug-in would sometimes cause the CPU to run at 100%
However recently I have noticed with the latest version it will only start the flash on demand... say when you want to
watch a YT video, and as a result the fan that usually comes on to cool the processor remains silent most of the time.

On my phone I have been using mini Opera as a browser and I have recently installed Opera on on Mac, and it is not
a memory hog and has a SPEED DIAL opening page just like Safari so I have been more than satisfied with it.

uke4ia
12-03-2013, 01:49 PM
Oof! I hate to say this, but I bet once it has finished uploading, it'll fail in 'processing'. Fingers crossed it doesn't, but that's been my experience whenever I've experienced excessive upload times (say 2 hours plus).

Ack! p.s., I'm back at my place now. Remind me next time I'm over at my friends to check how her IE is set up and report back. You never know, it might be something completely simple that needs to be changed in your settings to get IE & YT/G+ to work together.

I've tried multiple times now deleting the temporary Internet files, cookies, and saved passwords in IE, and that hasn't helped.

bird's eye view of my ukelele
12-05-2013, 08:53 PM
have you tried uploading to youtube in a different browser? i'm not saying it would work, just wondering if you had the same experience with firefox? or something else?

and have you tried uploading to vimeo? i know a vimeo vid couldn't go in the youtube playlist, but i go through the thread to see everyone's vids anyway, and if people knew that some folk were needing to upload on sites other than youtube, i'm sure everyone would make sure they swing by the thread to make sure they don't miss anyone...

redpaul1
12-06-2013, 01:02 AM
have you tried uploading to youtube in a different browser? i'm not saying it would work, just wondering if you had the same experience with firefox? or something else?

Hi Linda - yes. We've got Firefox working for Jim, we're just now trying to solve the last piece of the puzzle.


I've tried multiple times now deleting the temporary Internet files, cookies, and saved passwords in IE, and that hasn't helped.

Jim, I've just used IE9 on Vista to leave a comment on your Sultanitan Itan page. The settings (Tools/Internet Options) are as follows: Internet Security - Medium-High; Privacy - Medium; and Advanced Settings - default (except warning turned off when switching between http & https).

I also sucessfully uploaded a video to my page at the same time. Video length 2:09 Upload time ~ 4mins

HTH P

uke4ia
12-06-2013, 06:00 PM
I probably am going to have to load Google Chrome just for working with YouTube. I've tried everything with IE9 and it hasn't done any good. And for reasons I can't begin to understand, when I try to do an upload with Firefox it takes about an hour for every minute of video. It's like Firefox is telling YouTube that I have dial-up speed, and the thing is loading at 14kB/sec.

uke4ia
12-06-2013, 07:10 PM
I don't know if it has anything to do with the upload times, but I notice that Firefox identifies all my uploaded videos with an https: URL, while IE9 identifies them with an http: URL.

uke4ia
01-14-2014, 11:44 AM
http://i.imgur.com/nK5UwEu.png

bird's eye view of my ukelele
01-14-2014, 12:39 PM
lol! ain't it the truth!

Tootler
01-14-2014, 02:17 PM
There was something on the News today about Google changing the way you can respond to comments on You Tube yet again. It sounds like they've been stung by the negative reaction to the original changes and are going some way to remeday the situation. Don't hold your breath, though it's not a total climb down so I don't think they will fully restore the ability to comment and respond to comments on You Tube.

I was catching up with some of the comments on my videos for recent seasons and responding to them and there are some you still can't respond to on YT. Uke4ia you were one, so I just checked the "like" symbol to let you know I had read the comment and would have responded if I could.

bird's eye view of my ukelele
01-25-2014, 04:24 PM
new development

new comments aren't showing for me in the google plus thingy - the bell - whatever the blazes it is at the top of the youtube page

so

unless i notice the number of comments on a vid has jumped up - which i just might do with a vid i've just posted, but i'd be none the wiser with anything older - i won't know if someone has commented

so

if i don't bat back the repartee over on youtube IT'S BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE REPARTEE IS EVEN THERE

:wallbash:

uke4ia
01-25-2014, 04:28 PM
That's happening to me today, too. If it keeps up over several days, you can use the analytics feature to look at comments over the past week or so, and you'll see if there's anything new.

bird's eye view of my ukelele
01-25-2014, 04:49 PM
That's happening to me today, too. If it keeps up over several days, you can use the analytics feature to look at comments over the past week or so, and you'll see if there's anything new.
well i'm glad it's not just me, at the same time that i am sorry it's other people! if you see what i mean!

thanks for the tip - i went to check it out, and i see youtube has put another thing, it says it's new, over on the left of the page if it's gonna show - maybe on one's channel page or dashboard? - anyway it says "coments", you can see comments there, but for heavens sake the only redeeming feature of google plus WAS the fact that it would flag up new comments nice and clear and easy for you - IF IT CAN'T EVEN DO THAT WHAT ON (google ;) ) EARTH IS IT GOOD FOR???

gah