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SuperSecretBETA
01-30-2009, 09:38 AM
Before I begin, let me say that I have yet to actually try fluorocarbon fishing line on an ukulele; this is merely speculation. This is a roughly estimated word problem. Now we just need a guinea pig to actually try the Seaguars!

You have 3 ukuleles:
1 tenor (traditional)
1 tenor (low G)
1 soprano (traditional)

Seaguar FC leaders

100yd 80lb $90
" 60 75
" 50 62
" 40 53
" 30 40
" 25 33

diameter
80lb .810mm/.032" - tenor low G
60 .740mm/.029" - tenor C
50 .660mm/.026" - tenor E, soprano/concert C
40 .620mm/.024" - tenor g, soprano/concert E
30 .520mm/.020" - tenor A, soprano/concert g
25 .435mm/.017" - soprano/concert A

You change all four (4) strings on each ukulele every two (2) months. You have 100 yards for each string per ukelele and use four (4) yards (1 yard per string) every string change. Calculate the total costs of the strings and how long until you run out of string.

4 yards per ukulele x 6 times per year = 24 yards per ukulele per year

400 yards per ukulele / 24 yards per ukulele per year = 16 years and 8 months


Tenor = $230 for 400 yards = 16 years and 8 months
Tenor low G = 280 " "
Soprano = 188 " "
Total = $698 for 1200 yards lasting 16 years and 8 months


You use 4 yards every string change every two (2) months with $9, $8, and $7 string sets for 16 years and 8 months. How much will you spend on string sets for each price?

6 sets a year x $9 per set = $54 per year
$54 x 16 years + ($9 x 4) = $900 for 16 years and 8 months per ukulele

6 sets a year x $8 per set = $48 per year
$48 x 16 years + ($8 x 4) = $800

6 sets a year x $7 per set = $42 per year
$42 x 16 years + ($7 x 4) = $700

Conclusion: If you like the sound of Seaguars, you can have save HUNDREDS. Personal results vary depending on how often you change strings on ukuleles. Many can use less than a yard per string, so, technically, these can last for $20+ years if you don't change them regularly. No matter how often you change strings, the savings are MONUMENTAL!

If you buy $9 ORCAS strings for three (3) ukuleles every two (2) months for 16 years and 8 months, you'd spend $2700 total!
$8 Blackline or Worth strings ($16 for 2 sets)? $2400
$7 Fremont strings? $2100
400 yards per tenor low G ukulele for 3 ukuleles? $840
400 yards per soprano/concert for 3 ukuleles? $564

You can save anywhere from $1260 to $2136 by purchasing Seaguars in 100yd bulk for any three (3) ukulele combination of tenor, tenor (low G), soprano, or concert over a span greater than or equal to 16 years and 8 months!

allinfun
01-30-2009, 09:58 AM
ROFL, it is a conspiracy. :) I cant tell the difference between segaur fishing line I nicked from my Dad's tackle box and Freemont Blacks. I thought my friend was pulling my leg but he was dead on serious that who he works for also sells it to a music company (not Freemont, but a well regarded company who sells strings) and they package it as strings.

Just think of the possibilities.. Introducing the Ronco pocket fishuke! That's right folks for those times when stranded on a desert island your convenient folding pocket uke can provide hours of entertainment and sustenance! The die-cast tuning pegs can reel in thousands of fish and never need to be replaced! Made of high quality space age polymers the pocket fishuke will never warp due to high humidity, it's convenient size fits in any large pocket, and we supply a lifetime of strings! (All you do is pay $9.99 for shipping and handling) It's indestructable, it's fun, and best of all it can fish!

h-drix
01-30-2009, 10:00 AM
lol...what? so fluorocarbon string is just a fancy term for fishing line? with all your maths you have come up with the idea that if you bought diffrent lines of fishing string (to their respective sizes) then you could save hundreds of dollars? intresting...

i would need to hear two equal ukuleles with equal strings and everything. It would be nice if i could most ofmy life with out buying string. considering im am horrible about changeing string, i could most likely streach out that 20 years to 25-30...

uluapoundr
01-30-2009, 10:05 AM
I'm an avid fisherman and have a bunch of fluorocarbon line in my tackle. Now you got me thinking if the fishing line manufacturers are making the line under the same tolerances as some of the string manufacturers. Aside from Seaguars, there is Yozuri, J-line, Berkley, Relix who all make fluorocarbon line. Perhaps I can do a fishing line comparison in rentrant tuning.

cpatch
01-30-2009, 10:13 AM
If you buy $9 ORCAS strings for three (3) ukuleles every two (2) months for 16 years and 8 months, you'd spend $2700 total!
$8 Blackline or Worth strings ($16 for 2 sets)? $2400
$7 Fremont strings? $2100
400 yards per tenor low G ukulele for 3 ukuleles? $840
400 yards per soprano/concert for 3 ukuleles? $564

You can save anywhere from $1260 to $2136 by purchasing Seaguars in 100yd bulk for any three (3) ukulele combination of tenor, tenor (low G), soprano, or concert over a span greater than or equal to 16 years and 8 months!
An enterprising person could also put together their own sets using Seaguars, sell them for $5 apiece, and make 100% profit on a $560-$840 investment while still saving their customers $2-4 a set.

SuperSecretBETA
01-30-2009, 10:24 AM
To add, you're saving between 60% and 76% on fluorocarbon strings depending on which brand you choose and what kind of ukuleles you own.--even more if you can squeeze more sets out of a 100yd spool by using less than a yard per string.

uluapoundr
01-30-2009, 10:48 AM
The guitar guys have been discussing this for years. Seems like there is some validity in that line such as Seaguar is made by a subsidiary that makes guitar strings, go figure. http://www.guitar-vacation-retreats.com/resources/fluorocarbon_strings.html

I'm heading to the fishing store.

wearymicrobe
01-30-2009, 11:01 AM
Heck just drop them in a pot of bioling water and add some rite dye and you could have any color string in the rainbow.

1014
01-30-2009, 11:14 AM
i have a cheap ukulele that i've been meaning to mod -- new nut and saddle, etc. and i have loads of fluoro around the house. i wonder if there is a place where they have the diameters listed and we could closely match up the strings? hahaha funny thing is if you go up to a fisherman and call his line "strings" he'd give you an evil smirk.

h-drix
01-30-2009, 12:29 PM
I'm an avid fisherman and have a bunch of fluorocarbon line in my tackle. Now you got me thinking if the fishing line manufacturers are making the line under the same tolerances as some of the string manufacturers. Aside from Seaguars, there is Yozuri, J-line, Berkley, Relix who all make fluorocarbon line. Perhaps I can do a fishing line comparison in rentrant tuning.

could you please? i would :bowdown:

deach
01-30-2009, 12:33 PM
I'd rather pay extra than be stuck with the same brand strings for 16+ years. Same reason I don't go to Costco, I'll pay a little extra for variety.

cpatch
01-30-2009, 12:50 PM
I'd rather pay extra than be stuck with the same brand strings for 16+ years.
Plus I'm not sure I'd want to play with 16-year-old strings (or 10-year-old for that matter).

h-drix
01-30-2009, 01:35 PM
well if you keep the lines in a good storage i doubt they will break down. as for varaity, it really only works if those are the only strings you like, after going though dozens of other brands.

uluapoundr
01-30-2009, 01:38 PM
could you please? i would :bowdown:

Went to the fishing store on my lunchbreak....I told you guys I would. My friends who work there gave me a weird look when I told them I was looking for strings for my uke, ha! One brand didn't have the diameters, but I had my friend who works there, email me it. Will open the excel file later when I get home and see if the strings come close to say a Savarez Alliance set. The guitar guys were saying the Seaguar fishing line was clear and bright, but without the "ping" sound that Savarez has.

I'm a fisherman and love fluorocarbon leader, so no line/strings will go to waste. If I find a setup that works, even if it's 16 years worth, I'll just give um out. Deach, you'll be first on my list!

MGM
01-30-2009, 03:42 PM
Of cource flourocarbon is fishing line Been a well known fact however. How many of your want to spring for three rolls of 100 or 50 yard leader that will intially cost you about 160.00 to get just for the guages for tenor...thus people package strings. Also they get some diameters that are not typical 40 50 60 70 80 pound test...and different densities when they try to make strings...

deach
01-30-2009, 03:44 PM
....Deach, you'll be first on my list!

Sweet !

Kaneohe til the end
01-30-2009, 04:43 PM
I bought a set of worth clears for 2 ukes. Strung my old kamaka no problem. When it came to my risa, the knot kept popping out of the uke, and I eventually trimmed it too short. I was in a one A string deficit. So, I put on my thinking cap and compared the A string to different fishing line. the closest was 25 lb test, but I didn't have enough. Closest was 30 lb. test, when I put it on,none of the people knew it wasn't actually an ukulele string. Works fine, even when plugged in. You can't actually tell the difference just by looking

1014
01-30-2009, 04:49 PM
Of cource flourocarbon is fishing line Been a well known fact however. How many of your want to spring for three rolls of 100 or 50 yard leader that will intially cost you about 160.00 to get just for the guages for tenor...thus people package strings. Also they get some diameters that are not typical 40 50 60 70 80 pound test...and different densities when they try to make strings...

I already get. damn those sturgeons and threshers!

koalohapaul
01-30-2009, 07:09 PM
There's no conspiracy, but it takes a lot of experimentation to find a brand/brands of strings and diameters that work well with the different ukulele. It's no secret that fluorocarbon fishing line is used for ukulele strings. In fact, Worth told us clearly that their sets are made from fishing line. However, they work with the manufacturer directly on blending fluorocarbon and other materials to get the right tension and feel of each set. We spent months experimenting with different combinations of strings before arriving at our current OEM configuration.

Want to know something really classified? GHS, Martin, and almost all black nylons are made from brush and bristle fibers. Dupont manufactures them as micro rods for industrial use in assembling brush heads.

Ukulele is such a small market, almost no large company will make strings specifically for our instrument. The guitar world is much larger, so it's worth the investment for people to make strings with the proper intended use. However, the manufacturing process really isn't much different than fishing line or brush fibers. The biggest difference is that string specific factories have better quality control on diameters.

Bluke
01-31-2009, 11:10 AM
What exactly are Seaguars?

hoosierhiver
01-31-2009, 11:44 AM
I bought a Tahitian uke that was strung with fishing line,it gave it more of a sitar-ish sound.

uluapoundr
01-31-2009, 12:11 PM
What exactly are Seaguars?

Fluorocarbon fishing line.

Bluke
01-31-2009, 05:21 PM
Thanks. Must be some brand name...

I now can stop thinking you guys found an alternate use for those fat tobacco rolls from Cuba!

ichadwick
11-24-2010, 11:26 AM
... blending fluorocarbon and other materials to get the right tension and feel of each set.
Hmmm. Interesting. What other sorts of materials do you use? And if it's good enough for a uke, wouldn't it work equally well on a fishing reel?

v30
11-24-2010, 12:15 PM
You cheap SOB's can string your uke's with fishing line.....I, on the other hand will be stringing my fishing reel with martins :)

Dane
11-24-2010, 02:21 PM
You cheap SOB's can string your uke's with fishing line.....I, on the other hand will be stringing my fishing reel with martins :)

I floss with them.

Uncle Leroy
11-24-2010, 04:25 PM
Somebody round here likes the math stuff.

beardco
11-24-2010, 06:36 PM
I knew flourocarbon was fishing line but, the nylon string info. was the kicker. You guys are entertaining AND educational.

clayton56
11-24-2010, 11:18 PM
If you are catching fish with Martin strings, they must be nibbling right up to the boat.

I don't know why it has to be flouro, most strings out there in the tension you need are co-polymer. The fishing store near me has lots of flouro but only in light weights. I use two types of co-polymer and like the sound better than flourocarbon anyway. Mellower and more traditional. They sound like nylon but maintain their tone and intonation all the way up the neck.The diameters are not quite perfect but hey they stretch out and even out. Musically they are fine, intonation is good once stretched out and tone is great. I've tried all the commercial string brands and most are too harsh - co-polymers are mellow and sweet.

Oh, and the prices for Seagur seem excessive. I was looking at the $100.00 bulk spools and the yardage was between 3,000 and 1,700 yards depending on gauge. At the fishing store they cut me 100 yards for six bucks.

As far as having free strings forever, a) you should live so long, and b) the stuff does get old just sitting there. Better to get your uke club to collaborate on some spools and use it up.

Pukulele Pete
11-25-2010, 01:08 AM
I bought a couple of $7.99 ukuleles which had I assume was fishing line for strings.
I changed the strings to ukulele strings ( I used old Martin nylon strings ) and it made a big difference in the sound. What about Aquila's , arent those made just for musical instruments ?

ichadwick
11-25-2010, 01:26 AM
There's a comment that other materials are added to strings during production, but I don't know what that might be or what sort of effect it would have on how the string performs. The amount of energy the string retains versus how much it transmits is key, but what materials will create an optimum mix with flurocarbon?

Strings are only one part of the equation - the sadde, top construction and material, size, body design, sound hole size, bridge size and material, and finish all play a part. And then it all depends on what sound you want or expect to get.

And then there's the question of wound strings, which impart a different sound again.

Ingrate
11-25-2010, 05:45 AM
i wonder if there is a place where they have the diameters listed and we could closely match up the strings?



Worth data:
17980

OldePhart
11-25-2010, 09:46 AM
i wonder if there is a place where they have the diameters listed and we could closely match up the strings?



See post #28 in this thread http://www.ukuleleunderground.com/forum/showthread.php?18975-fishing-line-ukulele-string-recipe/page3 for more information than you probably wanted to know.

BTW, short version, the data at the Seaguar web site lines up poifectly with the Worth data...for what it's worth. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

John

ichadwick
11-27-2010, 10:44 AM
Went to a local hardware shop that also sells fishing gear to look for line today. Nada I could use. No Seguars at all, but a few other brands. Saw a couple of 40-lb test, and one 50 but nothing stronger. Most everything was 20 or under, and a lot at 10 lb or less. I guess when you live beside fresh water, and the majority of fish are trout, bass and a few pickerel, you don't get a lot of demand for 60-80lb test line. Have to look into ordering online instead.

Dane
11-27-2010, 01:03 PM
Went to a local hardware shop that also sells fishing gear to look for line today. Nada I could use. No Seguars at all, but a few other brands. Saw a couple of 40-lb test, and one 50 but nothing stronger. Most everything was 20 or under, and a lot at 10 lb or less. I guess when you live beside fresh water, and the majority of fish are trout, bass and a few pickerel, you don't get a lot of demand for 60-80lb test line. Have to look into ordering online instead.

Are you going to do something review-related with this on your site? Would love to find out.

UkeKiddinMe
04-18-2013, 12:31 PM
How did this story end? :)

bborzell
04-18-2013, 01:08 PM
How did this story end? :)

I took up fishing.

hibiscus
04-18-2013, 02:19 PM
I say in jest, you must have a lot of time to think! I got lost somewhere in the middle!:confused:

OldePhart
04-18-2013, 04:27 PM
I use quite a bit of Seaguar leaders. Enough that the size I use the most (it's an e string on some ukes, c on others, so it gets used a lot) is almost empty (25M spool) in about three years. A lot of that is because I experiment a lot, though, and it's cheap to do so when you buy string by the 25M spool.

However, fluorocarbon strings are very durable so I think the original poster's "every two months" is probably a bit excessive. Even on ukuleles that I play a lot fluorocarbon strings will go six months without any problem.

Fishing leaders aren't for every uke. I've got some bright ukes that sound better with Ko'Olau Gold or Mahana strings. My KoAloha sounds better with Seaguar "CM" leaders but intonates better up the neck with Ko'Olau Alohi strings. Of my current crop of nine ukuleles six have some combination of Seaguar leaders and the others Gold, Mahana, and Alohi (one each).

Seaguar leaders in the same gages as a Worth "CH" (hard) set are wonderful on most ukes. The KoAloha didn't like them, and they were too bright on my mango ukes, but I've got them on everything else from soprano to tenor. They sound great, feel good, and intonate very nicely up the neck.

John

UkeKiddinMe
04-18-2013, 04:33 PM
I see another company Stren with fluorocarbon string in smaller spools that are only about 4 to $8 each.
They have 7 different gauges of strings. At those prices, it would be easy to have it be super economically feasible,
without worrying about aging spools.