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sonomajazz
03-20-2014, 08:11 AM
Just acquired a David Newton couple of weeks ago and it is definitely a keeper, (well, until that vintage Martin shows up!).
Would like to replace the tuners. I think they're friction style and are difficult to control. Pegheds would be ideal. I have them on my tenors, but don't want to spend $140 + for the turners and install.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

sonomajazz
03-20-2014, 08:14 AM
Picture of current tuners...65045

Olarte
03-20-2014, 08:50 AM
Vote #1 for PEgheds if you can have someone install them.

Vote #2 Gotoh Planetary tuners, you should be able to install yourself. Similar to pegheds but bigger, heavier and do not have a vintage simple look... but easier to install.

good luck!

Dan Uke
03-20-2014, 09:34 AM
Vote #1 for PEgheds if you can have someone install them.

Vote #2 Gotoh Planetary tuners, you should be able to install yourself. Similar to pegheds but bigger, heavier and do not have a vintage simple look... but easier to install.

good luck!

I personally would go with the Gotohs. Owned both and I think the Gotohs are the best for non-vintage ukes, including tenors.

David Newton
03-20-2014, 09:40 AM
Send it to me, I'll do the Peghed install no charge.
Buy your Pegheds, check around locally for how much $ a pro install is.
If shipping is less, let me do it.

RyanMFT
03-20-2014, 09:58 AM
Have you tried adjusting the tuners? Those are good quality and should be able to be adjusted so that they work well.

Gottliver
03-20-2014, 11:06 AM
Have you tried adjusting the tuners? Those are good quality and should be able to be adjusted so that they work well.

Good advice. The little screw in the knob can be adjusted to increase or decrease resistance. I find it best the dethne slightly and bring up to pitch.

mm stan
03-20-2014, 11:11 AM
I have one of davids ukuleles and love the tuners and his ukes...they turn better, but I think they hold better than pegheads if you ask me... think about it..
besides you are rich...he he you live in Marin County :)

ksiegel
03-20-2014, 11:15 AM
Send it to me, I'll do the Peghed install no charge.
Buy your Pegheds, check around locally for how much $ a pro install is.
If shipping is less, let me do it.

Now THAT is customer service!



-Kurt

sonomajazz
03-20-2014, 11:33 AM
Send it to me, I'll do the Peghed install no charge.
Buy your Pegheds, check around locally for how much $ a pro install is.
If shipping is less, let me do it.

Thanks for the generous offer, David...certainly not unhappy with the uke, just a preference. Probably "Too much time on my hands" kind of thing...
Thanks to all for some great suggestions!

julie
03-20-2014, 11:37 AM
I second the recommendations to try to get used to the tuners. I bought a Kiwaya KS-5 with friction tuners and hated them. I was going to have a local luthier change them out for Gotohs. He said it would be a few weeks till he had them in stock so I tightened the little screw at the end of each tuner and have found that once the new strings settled in, I don't need to retuned that often, so why change something that's not broken :)

sonomajazz
03-20-2014, 11:39 AM
I have one of davids ukuleles and love the tuners and his ukes...they turn better, but I think they hold better than pegheads if you ask me... think about it..
besides you are rich...he he you live in Marin County :)

Ha, mm...don't have everything I want, but have everything I need...that's rich in my book...

sonomajazz
03-20-2014, 11:43 AM
OBTW, Stan...HI trip in June...going to the Big Island and for the first time, would rather be in Oahu to visit the uke factories, HMS etc.
But, maybe I can coax Moore Bettah man down off the mountain for a visit...(or visit the mountain?)

coolkayaker1
03-20-2014, 12:06 PM
I fifth keeping the friction tuners. Those are good quality, too, like Ryan said. Honestly, tighten them up a bit and they're great.

That said, if you do plan to change them, buy them and send them to David Newton; his offer to do the work for you is well worth the round trip postage. Exceedingly generous.

OldePhart
03-20-2014, 01:38 PM
I sixth keeping the friction tuners - but if you really must change then I third (or fourth, I lost count) the recommendation for the new UPT tuners.

I've always preferred friction tuners on sopranos and concerts but that's beginning to change since I have put the UPTs on a couple of ukes and really like them, and they look like the friction tuners they replaced. I even put a set on my Pineapple Sunday to get rid of the "ears" of the stock tuners.

I know there are a lot of fans of the PEGHEADS and I'm sure they're great tuners, and have the same ratio as the UPTs, but personally they just don't flip my wipper aesthetically.

John

TheCraftedCow
03-20-2014, 09:13 PM
If someone says that a friction tuner will hold as well and be easier to use than PEGHEDS, they don't know how to use them. PEGHEDS will never leave compression marks on you peghead front and back. They also are warranted to work, or they will be repaired or replaced for the cost of shipping them, and a self addressed bubble pack envelope for them to be returned to you. There are two lengths of the shaft. If the peghead(headstock) is 15mm or less, you can use either one. The short one is 19mm and the longer one is 27.5mm .

Elderly only has the longer ones at $80 a set and $120 to install.
Either set from me is $55.00 for 2L and 2R. I will send them directly to whoever you have do it, and as my part of encouraging you, I will pay the shipping----provided it's within the USA.

The new Gotoh units cost more, and are extremely heavy. All four PEGHEDS weigh less than one of the Gotohs. They also use a 3/8 inch bore hole.

The buttons can be left matte finish or run on a buffing wheel with a little bit of buffing compound to look as shiny as ebony.

Dan Uke
03-21-2014, 05:21 AM
I 7th keeping the tuners but that isn't the question the OP is asking is it.

sonomajazz
03-21-2014, 06:02 AM
I 7th keeping the tuners but that isn't the question the OP is asking is it.

Not exactly, but it is relevant...
I have a Black Bear cigar box (for sale!) that has a little different type of friction tuner and they seem to be much smoother. The soprano tuners are "sticky", and not as easy to tune. If they felt like the BB I wouldn't have thought to change them.
Once again, my preference for tuners does not reflect on the quality of this little uke...it is superb.

coolkayaker1
03-21-2014, 06:04 AM
Would like to replace the tuners. I think they're friction style and are difficult to control.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Daniel...the operative word is "any". Lol.

TheCraftedCows offer is nice. Sounds like the OP has options now.

Dan Uke
03-21-2014, 07:02 AM
Daniel...the operative word is "any". Lol.

TheCraftedCows offer is nice. Sounds like the OP has options now.

haha...I forgot this is UU where half the threads diverge...I'm guilty of doing that all the time! :p

Ukulele Eddie
03-21-2014, 07:44 AM
I know there are a lot of fans of the PEGHEADS and I'm sure they're great tuners, and have the same ratio as the UPTs, but personally they just don't flip my wipper aesthetically.

John

I agree that the UPT's are amazing looking but I do like the weight of the Pegheads. I think the weight is worth considering, especially among the smaller size ukes.

OldePhart
03-21-2014, 10:22 AM
I agree that the UPT's are amazing looking but I do like the weight of the Pegheads. I think the weight is worth considering, especially among the smaller size ukes.

I don't know how much the Pegheads weigh - but I've got a set of 4 UPT tuners sitting on a postal scale in front of me and all of them together with the bag they are in weighs exactly 2 ounces. The friction tuners from my KoAloha longneck soprano, also in a small plastic bag, actually weigh a fraction of an ounce more (not much - about a needle width on the scale). The bag with four friction tuners I took off one of my Mainland sopranos are about a needle width under 2 ounces.

Edit: Don't make me put batteries in my reloading scale... :)

John

lakesideglenn
03-21-2014, 11:21 AM
Hey Fred...heres my 2 cents worth...
HMS now only carries the UPTL's (long) and not the shorter UPTs. The UPTs are what you will need for that Newton as the headstock is on the thin side. The only place Ive found to get the UPTs is Japparts and they have them made to order from Gotoh in Japan. About $70 and a several week wait for the plain ones, about $10 more for the fancier buttons.
It sounds to me from reading this thread that you can have the Pegheads installed on the Newton by Mr Newton himself for about a hundred bucks and some change. Thats what I would do!

TheCraftedCow
03-21-2014, 04:47 PM
I don't know how much the Pegheads weigh - but I've got a set of 4 UPT tuners sitting on a postal scale in front of me and all of them together with the bag they are in weighs exactly 2 ounces. The friction tuners from my KoAloha longneck soprano, also in a small plastic bag, actually weigh a fraction of an ounce more (not much - about a needle width on the scale). The bag with four friction tuners I took off one of my Mainland sopranos are about a needle width under 2 ounces.

Edit: Don't make me put batteries in my reloading scale... :)

John

PEGHEDS--weighed on a USPostal scale 0.20 oz or 2/10 of an ounce per unit, so four would weigh .80 oz. or 8/10 also known as 4/5 of one ounce. So, PEGHEDS are half the weight(and change ) of the Gotoh tuners. Am I going to notice any difference in balance on my brass resonator? That's funny! On my Ukiyo Vita - Donaldson Myrtle Pineapple- Shawn Hines soprano- Lehua tenor- MidEast Baroq-ulele -MP Myrtle concert- Giannini baritone the difference is remarkable...and many who play any of them do remark of how light any of them are.

mm stan
03-21-2014, 05:17 PM
OBTW, Stan...HI trip in June...going to the Big Island and for the first time, would rather be in Oahu to visit the uke factories, HMS etc.
But, maybe I can coax Moore Bettah man down off the mountain for a visit...(or visit the mountain?)
Let me know man...my neighbors daughter lives in marin county....:)
You bet I'm a MB man.... mystery buggah man :)

sonomajazz
03-21-2014, 08:00 PM
Hey Fred...heres my 2 cents worth...
HMS now only carries the UPTL's (long) and not the shorter UPTs. The UPTs are what you will need for that Newton as the headstock is on the thin side. The only place Ive found to get the UPTs is Japparts and they have them made to order from Gotoh in Japan. About $70 and a several week wait for the plain ones, about $10 more for the fancier buttons.
It sounds to me from reading this thread that you can have the Pegheads installed on the Newton by Mr Newton himself for about a hundred bucks and some change. Thats what I would do!

I was just about to call you but watched Duke lose to brand X team...

Yeah, I agree, and Craftedcow has the best price incl postage.