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tangimango
03-24-2014, 06:05 PM
dont know how to make a poll option, but

if you had a chance to get a custom build ukulele and had the option of the traditional soundhole or offset soundhole , which would you choose.

this is for just cosmetic purpose only poll because i know its all about the total build and sound.

what would you choose??

;)

mOORE bETTAHS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNSm7N-tjc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caQzzD7_yUs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCRbSJYj9BQ

dEVINES:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLJgI78q-lo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE72ytNU7i0

perep
03-24-2014, 06:12 PM
Tangimango
Would prefer traditional one , have had 10 customs made for me with that

consitter
03-24-2014, 06:45 PM
I'm not a fan, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

Takes all kinds to make the world go round.

Icelander53
03-24-2014, 06:48 PM
Traditional for sure. The offset looks so weird to my eye. I like the symmetry of the centered hole. Everyones eye is different. Go with what pleases yours. Then buy the centered hole. :nana:

consitter
03-24-2014, 06:55 PM
Of course, if it was free.... :)

Dan Uke
03-24-2014, 08:13 PM
offset as it allows more of the sound board to vibrate

Tigeralum2001
03-24-2014, 08:14 PM
It grew on me! At first I didn't like it at all, but now I REALLY like it. I prefer it to be above the fretboard rather than below. I only own one uke with this feature, but if I were to have a dream custom built, it would be a requirement.

Hammond
03-24-2014, 08:21 PM
I do want an offset sound hole if I am planning to build one for myself or order one from a builder in the future. For construction & sound experiment.

Kyle23
03-24-2014, 08:58 PM
If I had the choice, I'd prefer a traditional one BUT that doesn't mean I wouldn't gladly take an offset one :)

bazmaz
03-24-2014, 09:21 PM
Traditional for me. I don't buy the thing that the offset helps the soundboard vibrate. If that was the case why is THAT not the traditional method?

Hippie Dribble
03-24-2014, 10:30 PM
Me no like.

Five Ways
03-24-2014, 11:33 PM
For me traditional but its a personal thing so what ever you like go with it.

Flaky
03-25-2014, 12:41 AM
I prefer the aesthetics of the centered sound hole, but, having never played an off-centered model, I do wonder if they project more volume based upon the difference in sound board surface area and the fact that the strumming hand/wrist isn't obstructing the hole half the time.

coolcow
03-25-2014, 01:25 AM
I like the offset soundhole that's on my Moore Bettah & Devine....for cosmetic purpose...it looks cool!!

Dan Uke
03-25-2014, 06:55 AM
Traditional for me. I don't buy the thing that the offset helps the soundboard vibrate. If that was the case why is THAT not the traditional method?

People like symmetry. Of course, Chuck is only one luthier but I've read that he believes his offset sound hole allows more area to vibrate

Ukulele Eddie
03-25-2014, 07:26 AM
I've seen a few that look fantastic and "work" for me but plenty of others that simply do not. For example, I like the look of the non-standard sound hole Blackbird uses. I also like the additional ones that Loprinzi uses on it's Nova model. Jazzbox Ukes offers an f-hole option. I think pretty much all his ukes are great looking.

seeso
03-25-2014, 10:53 AM
Me no like, either. An offset soundhole always seems to get in the way of my strumming technique.

dkcrown
03-25-2014, 11:34 AM
Me no like, either. An offset soundhole always seems to get in the way of my strumming technique.

That's an interesting point seeso. I never thought about that possibility.

seeso
03-25-2014, 11:38 AM
That's an interesting point seeso. I never thought about that possibility.

Yeah. I didn't even realize how much I rely on the upper bout of the soundboard when I strum. If there are soundholes there, my fingers get caught.

mm stan
03-25-2014, 11:43 AM
I prefer my offset as danny said, allows the top to vibrate much better....I like my offset on the bass top side best....no fingas get caught there..
and close to the side sound port ....

OldePhart
03-25-2014, 11:58 AM
I've never actually played a uke with an offset sound hole (not that I can recall offhand, anyway). I think I would like it because physics says a centered sound hole cuts out a significant part of the soundboard at what should be one of its most flexible parts and the hole is probably much of the reason that a brace is usually needed between the bridge and neck even on a soprano.

I don't think a sound hole offset to the bass side would be any problem for me to adapt to, but one on the treble side would be another story as I often plant my pinky there when playing.

John

TG&Y
03-25-2014, 02:39 PM
Traditional sound hole for me. Period. The others give me the creeps. YMMV.

Newportlocal
03-25-2014, 02:48 PM
Offset sound hole for me.

Doc_J
03-25-2014, 03:07 PM
I guess this qualifies as an offset sound hole? If so, count me in the 'like' group.

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=62388&d=1388205649

This one will definitely qualify as offset once it is finished.

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=64076&d=1392995835

FrankB
03-25-2014, 03:20 PM
I don't know how Chuck Moore braces his instruments, but an offset soundhole gives the builder more bracing options.

TheCraftedCow
03-25-2014, 08:00 PM
Traditional for me. I don't buy the thing that the offset helps the soundboard vibrate. If that was the case why is THAT not the traditional method?

If you want to be really traditional, you do a pentatonic chant and drum or shake a gourd. The ukulele was a break with tradition. Anything but chunks of wood stuffed in a hole as tuner was a break with tradition. Anything except gut strings was a break with tradition. If you don't believe that an offset hole helps improve quantity and quality of sound, try putting your hand in the middle of the back, or holding it very close to your body, then move it away and play the same thing as when it was scrunched against you.

BlackBearUkes
03-25-2014, 08:18 PM
If you want to be really traditional, you do a pentatonic chant and drum or shake a gourd. The ukulele was a break with tradition. Anything but chunks of wood stuffed in a hole as tuner was a break with tradition. Anything except gut strings was a break with tradition. If you don't believe that an offset hole helps improve quantity and quality of sound, try putting your hand in the middle of the back, or holding it very close to your body, then move it away and play the same thing as when it was scrunched against you.

Doing that little exercise with any acoustic instrument and you will get the same results. Moving the sound hole here and there on the sound board might be indicative of manipulated sound, as any port would be, but it certainly is not doing to increase volume or improve sound quality, those endeavors lie elsewhere I'm afraid. If only it were that simple.

kohanmike
03-25-2014, 08:58 PM
I like to be a little different. I have two non-traditional sound hole ukes, a 2-hole and and 2 f-hole mandolele, with a 2 f-hole arch-top electric on it's way. I almost ordered a custom gypsy style uke today with what they call a D-hole, I call it a wide mouth, but held off for now.

The 2-hole projects well, but I do have to be more conscious when I finger pick with it. The mandolele definitely projects differently than the others.

http://www.fairfax67.com/images/u6Hanknn 2 hole side brn.jpg
http://www.fairfax67.com/images/u9 Mando-Uke.jpg
http://www.fairfax67.com/images/u10ES arch-top.jpg
http://www.fairfax67.com/images/Gypsy D hole.jpg

dickadcock
03-26-2014, 09:59 AM
I like Boulder Creek's implementation of the offset sound hole idea. It is small, above the fretboard, and is used with a larger side port. If you watch any of Zahra Lowzley's Youtube demos of the RipTide, you'll see she doesn't seem to be bothered by the hole placement. (She does, however, seem to have been bothered by the lower frets, possibly because of her playing style, & they appear to have been removed over the body portion of the fretboard. They are somewhat in the way, I find, as that is the best-sounding part of the string to pick or strum on my baritone RipTide) ...(but I guess that's another topic)

As a few have said, it's in the playability & sound. Heck, I even like cars without fins ...

UkerDanno
03-26-2014, 10:28 AM
don't particularly like offset, I'm kind of a traditionalist, besides being the guy who likes symmetry and always lines up and centers my glass on the coaster/napkin, etc.! ;-D

Unless maybe there were 2 offset soundholes on each side, hahaha...

Wonder what sonic research would show about soundhole size/location?

tangimango
03-27-2014, 08:55 PM
since i have alot of traditional one i will go with the offset.

tangimango
02-16-2015, 08:11 PM
I think poll is up

wickedwahine11
02-17-2015, 04:02 AM
Aesthetically I like the traditional, but from what I have heard the offset allows the soundboard to vibrate more, plus there is the unique factor, so if I got another uke I would want it to have the offset soundhole.

SweetWaterBlue
02-17-2015, 04:18 AM
f holes, if you believe this

https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/violin-acoustic-power-0210

Olarte
02-17-2015, 05:04 AM
I would rather have a port hole on the side in addition to a centered sound hole.

The only problems I have with sound holes in general is when using with a voice mic to sing, some pickups will result in the mic picking up feedback. Which is one reason why In that case I prefer one with no sound hole, like the Godin.

Lori
02-17-2015, 05:56 AM
I think an offset sound hole is OK, as long as the size, location, and shape are harmonious. There is an art to instrument building, and some makers don't have a good sense for what looks beautiful. The marriage of science and art can create some really fantastic results though.

–Lori

molokinirum
02-17-2015, 07:02 AM
Traditional for me!!

chuck in ny
02-17-2015, 11:52 AM
i find the center hole stunningly beautiful. a lot of boutique makers of all manner of instruments go for over the top design just to be different.

Moore Bettah Ukuleles
02-17-2015, 01:41 PM
It's not about aesthetics, it's about function! With typical ukulele fan bracing, the area below the lower sound hole brace is the resonating area, generally known as the lower bout. The upper bout is weak because it's got a big hole in the middle of it! (Really, the worst place to put a sound hole IMO.) Because it's weak it needs to be heavily braced. Because it's heavily brace it doesn't resonate much, if at all. You with me so far? By moving the sound hole up and out of the way, the lower sound hole brace can also be moved with it. So by adjusting the bracing you can create a larger resonating surface (by about 10% or more). Makes sense.
Sound holes on the treble side can cause playing difficulties as has been noted. I've always located m offset sound holes on the bass side.

Aesthetics should ALWAYS take a back seat to function IMO! A musical instrument's first priority is to be musical to the best of it's ability. Anything beyond that is cupcakes and rainbows.

tangimango
05-20-2015, 10:45 PM
Thank you chuck, ive recently played an offset ukulele locally and it sounded amazing.Looking at the devines and mbu i really like the offset look. Now all center soundhole ukuleles looks all the same to me no matter $100 or a $2000 , just plain and nothing special, cant tell if its a custom unless i look at it closely, and unless it has alot of bling or some sort of custom inlay. I guess i like something new , unique and different now days. Theres not many offset ukuleles around making them more special.

tangimango
05-20-2015, 10:57 PM
this one with a cutaway looks really nice with the offset:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNSm7N-tjc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caQzzD7_yUs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCRbSJYj9BQ

dEVINES:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLJgI78q-lo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE72ytNU7i0

Lori
05-21-2015, 05:37 AM
I am not used to the offset round sound holes, but I think I could get adjusted if I had a MB or DeV. If it sounded better, I would go for it. Recently got a BB Clara, and it has an off center non-circular sound hole. I am fine with that one. Aesthetically, when there is a choice, I tend to go for the traditional centrally located sound hole.

–Lori

k0k0peli
05-21-2015, 07:31 AM
I have no traditional prejudices here, and I tend toward flouting conventions, so yes, I'd go for offset, oval, f- or z-shaped, or side-port soundholes. Or resophonic. Maybe I'm a little bored with ubiquitous guitar-shaped axes and centered holes. Maybe I'd look forward to a flying-V uke with pearls of soundholes running down the arms. Maybe... but an offset would be a good start.

Nickie
05-21-2015, 03:24 PM
I voted center, but I'm not really sure. Tammy has a tenor with a small offset soundhole, and a bigger one on the side, and it sounds pretty awesome.

tbeltrans
05-21-2015, 03:31 PM
dont know how to make a poll option, but

if you had a chance to get a custom build ukulele and had the option of the traditional soundhole or offset soundhole , which would you choose.

this is for just cosmetic purpose only poll because i know its all about the total build and sound.

what would you choose??

;)

mOORE bETTAHS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNSm7N-tjc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caQzzD7_yUs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCRbSJYj9BQ

dEVINES:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLJgI78q-lo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE72ytNU7i0

I have 4 acoustic guitars and all 4 have offset sound holes. However, I seem to have more traditional tastes when it comes to ukuleles. None of mine have offset sound holes and I have no plans to change that.

Tony

Hippie Dribble
05-21-2015, 03:43 PM
I have 4 acoustic guitars and all 4 have offset sound holes. However, I seem to have more traditional tastes when it comes to ukuleles. None of mine have offset sound holes and I have no plans to change that.

Tony

Got any pictures Tony? Haven't seen too many guitars with offset sound holes. Cheers mate.

tbeltrans
05-21-2015, 11:59 PM
These are not mine, instead they are pictures from other sites. However, I do have a McPherson and a couple of older Cargos:

http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b499/tbeltrans/CACRAWE_body-front_zpsgutqlenk.jpg (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/tbeltrans/media/CACRAWE_body-front_zpsgutqlenk.jpg.html)

http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b499/tbeltrans/2424-thumb_zpsmyl9of5i.jpg (http://s1288.photobucket.com/user/tbeltrans/media/2424-thumb_zpsmyl9of5i.jpg.html)

Tony

tangimango
08-01-2015, 01:15 AM
Wow 3 to 1.

Jeffelele
08-01-2015, 01:46 AM
I understand and can't disagree with the sound benefits of offset sound holes but when I look at the center of a guitar or uke that is this vast unnatural, unholed, surface it's like a belly without the belly button. Unnatural. Maybe even a little creepy.

I feel completely different about instruments with f holes.

I ask myself, "Are there no moral absolutes?".

Apparently not.

P.S. Anyone planning on sending me a uke with offset sound hole/s please disregard the above.

k0k0peli
08-01-2015, 04:01 AM
I am bored with centered round soundholes. I have about enough guitar-shaped axes lying about, also. The pear-shaped bari and pinch-waisted Puerto Rican cuatro-prima are a bit of a relief, as are the three oval-hole mandos. But I'll try to focus my upcoming UAS on alternative apertures and structures. Some of the cheap Rubin 'ukes have interesting holes. Maybe I should get a pineapple-uke kit and punch holes about where I'd like. I'm sure other inexpensive options abound. Down with normality!

strumsilly
08-01-2015, 04:54 AM
don't particularly like offset, I'm kind of a traditionalist, besides being the guy who likes symmetry and always lines up and centers my glass on the coaster/napkin, etc.! ;-D

Unless maybe there were 2 offset soundholes on each side, hahaha...

Wonder what sonic research would show about soundhole size/location?
I had a 2 soundhole one, and my strumming finger would get caught in the treble side hole. me no like

Inksplosive AL
08-01-2015, 05:19 AM
82005

Its no bad fer me.....

wickedwahine11
08-01-2015, 05:56 AM
When I first answered this question I did not own an offset soundhole uke, now that I do I want to change my answer. I am now very much in the offset soundhole camp. I have two ukes, both of which are Moore Bettahs. Both sound great, but the offset soundhole one sounds a bit better. I am not a luthier, so I cannot speak to the finer points about vibration or bracing, but the offset soundhole uke has more volume, and seems to sound a bit richer and fuller.

hawaii 50
08-01-2015, 07:27 AM
When I first answered this question I did not own an offset soundhole uke, now that I do I want to change my answer. I am now very much in the offset soundhole camp. I have two ukes, both of which are Moore Bettahs. Both sound great, but the offset soundhole one sounds a bit better. I am not a luthier, so I cannot speak to the finer points about vibration or bracing, but the offset soundhole uke has more volume, and seems to sound a bit richer and fuller.

I tend to agree with you Staci.... a little Richer tone I think....maybe more area on the top to vibrate...

fynger
08-01-2015, 07:29 AM
82005

Its no bad fer me.....

if it looks like this i'm saying YES...me like

UkeInTW
08-01-2015, 11:18 PM
I have 2 I'iwi tenors that have the 3 off center soundholes, unique to I'iwi tenors. These ukes have awesome tone and are loud ukes with great projection and sustain. I dont know how much of the beautiful tone and sound is due to the sound hole design, as construction, shape, wood, strings all factor in too, but at least this sound hole design works, and I have to say that the I'iwis with these offset soundhole designs are some of the best sounding ukes that I have ever heard or had the pleasure to play. And that is contrasting them against some pretty nice ukes with center soundholes too, so not strictly a biased view.

Of course, sound is subjective, so can only say these are in the top tier of best sounding ukes for me personally. And also have to add that there are center soundhole ukes that I love the sound of too. So, I dont evaluate based upon sound hole location, but only attracted to something that sounds great to my ear.

Now aesthetically, at first I preferred center soundholes, but I have come to appreciate the offset ones for their uniqueness. So, now like them both.

tangimango
08-01-2015, 11:30 PM
When I first answered this question I did not own an offset soundhole uke, now that I do I want to change my answer. I am now very much in the offset soundhole camp. I have two ukes, both of which are Moore Bettahs. Both sound great, but the offset soundhole one sounds a bit better. I am not a luthier, so I cannot speak to the finer points about vibration or bracing, but the offset soundhole uke has more volume, and seems to sound a bit richer and fuller.


I agree with you, people have to play a well build offset ukulele to truely understand. Best sounding ukulele ive ever played was a offset to my ears, again this just is my opinion, Great volume and very nice sound, or unique sound.

tangimango
08-01-2015, 11:36 PM
I have 2 I'iwi tenors that have the 3 off center soundholes, unique to I'iwi tenors. These ukes have awesome tone and are loud ukes with great projection and sustain. I dont know how much of the beautiful tone and sound is due to the sound hole design, as construction, shape, wood, strings all factor in too, but at least this sound hole design works, and I have to say that the I'iwis with these offset soundhole designs are some of the best sounding ukes that I have ever heard or had the pleasure to play. And that is contrasting them against some pretty nice ukes with center soundholes too, so not strictly a biased view.

Of course, sound is subjective, so can only say these are in the top tier of best sounding ukes for me personally. And also have to add that there are center soundhole ukes that I love the sound of too. So, I dont evaluate based upon sound hole location, but only attracted to something that sounds great to my ear.

Now aesthetically, at first I preferred center soundholes, but I have come to appreciate the offset ones for their uniqueness. So, now like them both.

Iiwi are really nice too. I love his style of offset too. Got to play some at local shops. I guess i like offset to be different from any other ukulele that looks all the same since 100 years. From far all traditional ukuleles look pretty much all the same to me.$50 or $2000 almost identical from far.Unless its inlayed or blinged out , but you can tell a offset is special , being, most are devines and MBUs and more rare to find one.

tangimango
08-01-2015, 11:39 PM
Now thats a beauty, nice find man.
[QUOTE=Inksplosive

Its no bad fer me.....[/QUOTE]

tangimango
05-09-2018, 09:02 PM
if it looks like this i'm saying YES...me like

Who built that one ?

Jarmo_S
05-10-2018, 02:23 AM
Clara is a dream an uke player desires. It would make also anyone look like a serious player lol.
In general the traditonal soundhole though.

stevepetergal
05-10-2018, 02:56 AM
I have no preference. I only have conventional styles, but, ukuleles with an offset sound hole can be quite lovely.

Just did a search, though. Guitars with offset sound holes look stupid to me.

bratsche
05-10-2018, 05:30 AM
I've practically got OCD when it comes to desiring symmetry in my instruments. I don't even like cutaways, or "comfort edges", for that reason. They just look bizarre and unattractive, and if something doesn't look right to me, I wouldn't want it. But that's just me.

bratsche

Jeffelele
05-11-2018, 12:53 PM
I plan on remaining a tradionalist right up to the moment I stop. I’m firm on that.

AustinHing
06-06-2019, 04:42 PM
Pulling up an old thread. I’m kind of interested in an off center sound hole ukulele.

Can anyone kindly share their opinions in terms of the louder voice and longer sustain due to the larger surface area for vibration?

Thanks in advance!

Rllink
06-07-2019, 04:01 AM
I think if it were offset on the bottom bout that my finger would go in it when I strum. All of my well used ukes have wear right there.

tangimango
06-07-2019, 04:38 AM
depends on the build but the best ukulele ive ever played has a offset soundhole to the base side. not only does it look cool, it sounds amazing.
im at a point where traditional sound hole ukes all pretty much look the same. I guess I like different non traditional things. I love koaloha scepter models , or the koaloha pineapple sunday is just cool. when you come across a offset one. you gotta ask who made it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caQzzD7_yUs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNSm7N-tjc



Pulling up an old thread. I’m kind of interested in an off center sound hole ukulele.

Can anyone kindly share their opinions in terms of the louder voice and longer sustain due to the larger surface area for vibration?

Thanks in advance!

AustinHing
06-07-2019, 05:48 AM
I think if it were offset on the bottom bout that my finger would go in it when I strum. All of my well used ukes have wear right there.

I would think so too. Putting the sound hole at the top would be more ideal and is not blocked by the strumming hand.


depends on the build but the best ukulele ive ever played has a offset soundhole to the base side. not only does it look cool, it sounds amazing.
im at a point where traditional sound hole ukes all pretty much look the same. I guess I like different non traditional things. I love koaloha scepter models , or the koaloha pineapple sunday is just cool. when you come across a offset one. you gotta ask who made it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caQzzD7_yUs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZNSm7N-tjc

When Moore Bettah ukuleles have the offset sound holes, it’s saying a lot and it’s definitely not just aesthetic purpose only. The riptide ukuleles and aNueNue guitars all have offset sound holes too and generally the reviews tend to mention a loud volume and long sustain.