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iamesperambient
07-09-2014, 09:45 AM
My friend is in the market for a baritone guitarele especially the islander one. She wants to tune it like a guitar EADGBE. Being this is baritone scale i wouldn't see this being impossible. can anyone offer any insight on this?

katysax
07-09-2014, 10:19 AM
Yes theoretically it can be tuned like a standard guitar. The strings would be a bit sloppy, especially the two lower strings. The makers of the Islander say that it is OK. The big question is why. If she knows she wants it tuned like a guitar, a short scale classical guitar would be a better choice.

iamesperambient
07-09-2014, 10:45 AM
Yes theoretically it can be tuned like a standard guitar. The strings would be a bit sloppy, especially the two lower strings. The makers of the Islander say that it is OK. The big question is why. If she knows she wants it tuned like a guitar, a short scale classical guitar would be a better choice.

because she has physical pain from playing larger instruments and prefers this smaller size and likes ukes better
and needs something in standard guitar tuning to teach playing guitar.
and also owning this gives option to tune it ADGCEA later on if she so desires.

The Big Kahuna
07-09-2014, 10:51 AM
I've got one sat in a case behind me. I'll detune it and let you know how it sounds.

The Big Kahuna
07-09-2014, 11:06 AM
Ok, first impressions with the stock strings tuned down to E:

Remarkably deep, warm and resonant sound. However, the issue isn't with the strings being sloppy, and flapping around. The problem is that, with the vastly lower tension, it's like playing a guitar with a scalloped fingerboard. For someone like me that doesn't have a particularly light touch (37 years of playing electric and steel string acoustic), the tiniest extra amount of extra pressure, over and above what is needed to fret the string, raises the pitch of the note about half a semitone. It sounds like someone fitted the frets using guesswork and a stick of chalk.

You'd need a set of strings specifically designed for a short scale guitar to be playable. Even with a light touch, it's so difficult to play with just the right amount of pressure that the notes alternate between perfect, painfully sharp or just not fretted at all.

I'm going to persevere though.

iamesperambient
07-09-2014, 11:08 AM
Ok, first impressions with the stock strings tuned down to E:

Remarkably deep, warm and resonant sound. However, the issue isn't with the strings being sloppy, and flapping around. The problem is that, with the vastly lower tension, it's like playing a guitar with a scalloped fingerboard. For someone like me that doesn't have a particularly light touch (37 years of playing electric and steel string acoustic), the tiniest extra amount of extra pressure, over and above what is needed to fret the string, raises the pitch of the note about half a semitone. It sounds like someone fitted the frets using guesswork and a stick of chalk.

You'd need a set of strings specifically designed for a short scale guitar to be playable. Even with a light touch, it's so difficult to play with just the right amount of pressure that the notes alternate between perfect, painfully sharp or just not fretted at all.

I'm going to persevere though.

I heard la bella makes a set that would be good for this.
I think with the right strings this seems like it would be very possible.
thanks for the info!

The Big Kahuna
07-09-2014, 11:09 AM
no probs, it was interesting to try

iamesperambient
07-09-2014, 11:13 AM
no probs, it was interesting to try

It seems very possible i figure the one issue would be floppy strings i need to research
more about these la bella friction strings people mentioned would work for this.

warndt
07-09-2014, 11:16 AM
These "Guilele" strings recently came out just for this purpose.

http://www.southcoastukes.com/specialty.htm

iamesperambient
07-09-2014, 11:19 AM
These "Guilele" strings recently came out just for this purpose.

http://www.southcoastukes.com/specialty.htm

thanks for the info!!! south coast makes strings for everything !!!!
excellent!

The Big Kahuna
07-09-2014, 11:29 AM
http://daddario.com/DADProductDetail.Page?ActiveID=3769&productid=236&productname=EJ27N_1_2_Student_Nylon_Fractional__No rmal_Tension&sid=13226828-ce48-4905-805a-8509bb0bfeca

Half size classical guitars have a 20" scale, or thereabouts. They might be the ones to go for.

The Big Kahuna
07-09-2014, 11:29 AM
Bloody Ninja posters!

iamesperambient
07-09-2014, 11:32 AM
http://daddario.com/DADProductDetail.Page?ActiveID=3769&productid=236&productname=EJ27N_1_2_Student_Nylon_Fractional__No rmal_Tension&sid=13226828-ce48-4905-805a-8509bb0bfeca

Half size classical guitars have a 20" scale, or thereabouts. They might be the ones to go for.
i think she really wants something that looks like a uke than can also go back to the standard guitele tuning too
im not 100 % sure if the south coast is what she wants being its reentrant version of that tuning.

The Big Kahuna
07-09-2014, 11:43 AM
i think she really wants something that looks like a uke than can also go back to the standard guitele tuning too
im not 100 % sure if the south coast is what she wants being its reentrant version of that tuning.

Yeah, I was just saying that a half size classical guitar and the GL6 share the same scale length, so half size classical strings should be suitable.

iamesperambient
07-09-2014, 11:44 AM
Yeah, I was just saying that a half size classical guitar and the GL6 share the same scale length, so half size classical strings should be suitable.
gotcha that makes sense i'll be sure to let her know thanks!~

Camsuke
07-09-2014, 11:48 AM
The Islander Guilele is a great little instrument, very playable, good sound & value for money. I followed recent threads here prior to purchase and settled on one from HMS. "The Big Kahuna" ( highly valued UU member) provided all the important details I needed to make the right choice and I am very happy. I have detuned to G#D#G#C#D#G# (DADGAD intervals on guitar) and G#D#G#CD#G# (Open D intervals on guitar) and it seems to work just fine.
Please note, HMS do a proper setup on all the instruments they sell so you know that they'll play well straight out of the box.

iamesperambient
07-09-2014, 11:50 AM
The Islander Guilele is a great little instrument, very playable, good sound & value for money. I followed recent threads here prior to purchase and settled on one from HMS. "The Big Kahuna" ( highly valued UU member) provided all the important details I needed to make the right choice and I am very happy. I have detuned to G#D#G#C#D#G# (DADGAD intervals on guitar) and G#D#G#CD#G# (Open D intervals on guitar) and it seems to work just fine.
Please note, HMS do a proper setup on all the instruments they sell so you know that they'll play well straight out of the box.

thanks for the tip i think you all provided good information thanks!

Camsuke
07-09-2014, 11:52 AM
http://daddario.com/DADProductDetail.Page?ActiveID=3769&productid=236&productname=EJ27N_1_2_Student_Nylon_Fractional__No rmal_Tension&sid=13226828-ce48-4905-805a-8509bb0bfeca

Half size classical guitars have a 20" scale, or thereabouts. They might be the ones to go for.

Thanks for this. I've ordered some Aquila strings for now but I'll also give these a try.

warndt
07-09-2014, 12:14 PM
http://daddario.com/DADProductDetail.Page?ActiveID=3769&productid=236&productname=EJ27N_1_2_Student_Nylon_Fractional__No rmal_Tension&sid=13226828-ce48-4905-805a-8509bb0bfeca

Half size classical guitars have a 20" scale, or thereabouts. They might be the ones to go for.

So Big Kahuna.... would these strings work well on the GL-6 tuned A-A? If not, which would you recommend?

Camsuke
07-09-2014, 01:21 PM
I've just ordered some of these Aquilas;
http://www.theukulelesite.com/new-aquila-guilele-super-nylgut.html

iamesperambient
07-09-2014, 01:36 PM
If it is going to be used as the money instrument for a teacher, perhaps it is worth sending an email to a maker like Koaloha to see if they can set up a semi-custom DVI, and to find out costs and options. Or to the Islander maker to ask the same question. Or find a maker close enough to visit physically. The physics will be a challenge for the two low strings, but it may turn out to be a popular instrument, worthy of a bit of risk and effort to develop.
I suspect a guitar teacher who teaches children would already know something about 1/2 size guitars and 3/4 size as well.

she doesn't have the budget for a custom like that, this islander is with in her budget.

southcoastukes
07-09-2014, 02:25 PM
These "Guilele" strings recently came out just for this purpose.

http://www.southcoastukes.com/specialty.htm

Thanks for the reference. There's just one problem - that set is for the standard 17" scale. I didn't even know about the bigger Guileles until we released this set. I then found out quick.

We've been asked to do a set for the longer scale and are working on it now. It looks like it will go pretty fast. If all happens as it appears at the moment, this set will have 2 wound strings instead of 4 and I'd guess we'll be mailing out notice of its availability sometime next week.

Dr. Bekken has posted some videos with the 1st set. This is a type of reentrant form called the "Eddie Freeman Special".

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?98399-You-Gonna-Need-Somebody-On-Your-Bond

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?98437-Eddie-Freeman-Special-Rag

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?98296-Southcoast-EFS-Guilele-String-Set

The Big Kahuna
07-09-2014, 06:59 PM
So Big Kahuna.... would these strings work well on the GL-6 tuned A-A? If not, which would you recommend?

I think you'd either snap each string, or end up with a boomerang. I'm pretty sure Ko'olau make guilele strings, but other manufacturers will too.

Maybe try the strings suggested by Ken of York in this thread:

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?48054-Kanile-a-GL6-my-highly-strung-Angel

<edit>

Probably you best option is to email Andrew at HMS. He's recorded Corey using a Kanile'a GL6 on his album, so between the pair of them (not forgetting Aaron also) they should have a good idea of what will best suit the GL6.

The Big Kahuna
07-09-2014, 07:07 PM
she doesn't have the budget for a custom like that, this islander is with in her budget.

Andrew put me a MiSI Trio in mine, but there are now 2 or 3 new models of the GL6 with different woods and build in mics and EQ. The price is very reasonable.

http://www.theukulelesite.com/shop-by/brand/islander.html

Correction...in addition to the one I have, there's one without a mic and with a solid spruce top, then 3 with active pickups and EQ. The spalted maple version is beautiful.

Booli
07-09-2014, 07:48 PM
My friend is in the market for a baritone guitarele especially the islander one. She wants to tune it like a guitar EADGBE. Being this is baritone scale i wouldn't see this being impossible. can anyone offer any insight on this?

I have been thinking along a similar path, yet for my Yamaha GL-1 guitalele, which is tenor scale @ 17" (430mm).

I have actually done quite a bit of research on this myself and come up with a few possible options so far (there may be more possible solutions that I have not discovered yet) -

DISCLAIMER: I have NOT actually tried any of these yet, but will be ordering these strings in the next few days to try them.

You might want to look into strings for a 'fractional' 1/4-sized guitar which should have enough tension for EADGBE tuning in the same octave as a standard guitar, such as these:

La Bella FG114:
http://www.stringsbymail.com/store/la-bella-fg114-fractional-guitar-1-4-size-full-set-798.html

Otherwise, a few other possible options are:

D'Addario EJ44C strings:
http://www.stringsbymail.com/store/daddario-ej44c-pro-arte-composite-extra-hard-tension-full-set-115.html, which are 'extra hard tension',

or

GHS La Classique 2350:
http://www.stringsbymail.com/store/ghs-la-classique-2350-high-tension-wound-3rd-full-set-2221.html, which are 'high tension'

I am understanding that the higher tension strings might get you to be able to use the lower tuning, instead of being forced to tune to ADGCEA, but you need to be very aware that these strings 'could' actually be too much tension if the instrument is not built strongly enough if you tune it UP to ADGCEA - so this is something to keep in mind.

Also to note, the D'Addario and GHS have a wound '3rd' string, i.e., the 'G' string in standard guitar tuning, which might help with intonation, as well as not being as floppy on a shorter scale (and might fix some of the problems that Big Kahuna experienced.

The D'Addario set mentioned above also has a non-wound 3rd string as an option that is already included in the set.

Don't forget that there is a NEW set made by SouthCoast for Guilele/Guitalele, called 'Eddie Freeman Special Guilele String Set' that fellow UU brother Dr. Bekken reviewed here in the forum, and put up a video demo a few days ago, but keep in mind that while giving the tuning of EADGBE, the E,A, & D strings are RE-ENTRANT, and thus an OCTAVE HIGHER than for standard guitar.

I am not sure I could adapt to this myself, it's taken me about 1 yr to adjust to being able to play a standard re-entrant uke without my brain melting due to the 'lower' string having a 'higher' pitch than the next 'higher' string.

Dr. Bekken's thread:
http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?98296-Southcoast-EFS-Guilele-String-Set

and another, different song he does with the same strings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32dr-r_9dX4

I currently have the Thomastik-Infeld CF127 set on my Guitalele:
http://www.stringsbymail.com/store/thomastik-infeld-cf127-classic-n-superlona-normal-tension-full-set-1809.html

and they sound and feel great at ADGCEA tuning, but I tried it in EADGBE and while not too floppy for me (these are higher tension strings than most, despite being labeled as 'normal tension') fingerpicking was 'just ok' but chords sounded really muddy.

The reason I chose these Thomastik-Infeld CF127 was due to the 3 bass strings being FLATWOUND and this significantly reducing the string squeak noise (which I detest).

Thomastik-Infeld also makes a set called the CF128, which has a wound 3rd string, as in the thickest 4 strings are wound and only 2 strings are nylon, I have them on another, full-scale classical guitar and I like them a lot.

See here:

http://www.stringsbymail.com/store/thomastik-infeld-cf128-classic-n-superlona-full-set-2181.html

Hope this helps.

-Booli

TheCraftedCow
07-09-2014, 11:12 PM
I have two on order from my distributor which are made to be tuned as EADGBE. The badge will be Madison/Monroe.
M/M is well known for banjos and mandolins. It will be interesting to see what I am getting.

drbekken
07-10-2014, 12:40 PM
Thanks for the reference. There's just one problem - that set is for the standard 17" scale. I didn't even know about the bigger Guileles until we released this set. I then found out quick.

We've been asked to do a set for the longer scale and are working on it now. It looks like it will go pretty fast. If all happens as it appears at the moment, this set will have 2 wound strings instead of 4 and I'd guess we'll be mailing out notice of its availability sometime next week.

Dr. Bekken has posted some videos with the 1st set. This is a type of reentrant form called the "Eddie Freeman Special".

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?98399-You-Gonna-Need-Somebody-On-Your-Bond

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?98437-Eddie-Freeman-Special-Rag

http://forum.ukuleleunderground.com/showthread.php?98296-Southcoast-EFS-Guilele-String-Set

I must say that these strings has made my humble little Yamaha guitalele/guilele a whole new instrument. Absolutely lovely.