i am not sure I fully understand the difference. However, I used your citation and then went to "home" where the "baripicking" selection is located and still got the "access denied" message. I don't understand because I am using the same Google account I have had forever. There must be something about "humble baritronics" I am missing or doing wrong. It is not that big of an issue but I like to visit some of the sites associated with it but, end the end, I don't have to. thanks, J.C. Bryant