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    Short answer: Yes. The Bernolin compares favorably to other similarly priced wooden recorders.

    Long answer: It depends. If you have a clear idea of what you want and deeper pockets (and are willing to put up with wood), there are a few other comparable options out there at around the $1000 price point. In the 415Hz arena, I swear by Yamaha's Denner copy IF it matches what you're looking for.

    As for how the Bernolin compares to the Ecodear...as with ukuleles, the law of diminishing returns applies to recorders. There is a definite improvement in performance, but the ecodear recorders are not bad instruments, and the subtle improvements are accompanied by a slightly more challenging upper register and increased sensitivity to fluctuations in breath pressure, so there's also that consider.

    The Bernolin is still the best sub-$500 alto recorder I've played. It's one of the best sub-$1000 recorders I've played. That's without taking into account its maintenance advantages.

    In short, yes, the upgrade is worth the investment. If you approach the ecodear with enough discipline, you will begin to outgrow it and want easier access to expressiveness. When that happens, the Bernolin or a wooden recorder of similar quality will open some doors for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bacchettadavid View Post
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    Short answer: Yes. The Bernolin compares favorably to other similarly priced wooden recorders.

    Long answer: It depends. If you have a clear idea of what you want and deeper pockets (and are willing to put up with wood), there are a few other comparable options out there at around the $1000 price point. In the 415Hz arena, I swear by Yamaha's Denner copy IF it matches what you're looking for.

    As for how the Bernolin compares to the Ecodear...as with ukuleles, the law of diminishing returns applies to recorders. There is a definite improvement in performance, but the ecodear recorders are not bad instruments, and the subtle improvements are accompanied by a slightly more challenging upper register and increased sensitivity to fluctuations in breath pressure, so there's also that consider.

    The Bernolin is still the best sub-$500 alto recorder I've played. It's one of the best sub-$1000 recorders I've played. That's without taking into account its maintenance advantages.

    In short, yes, the upgrade is worth the investment. If you approach the ecodear with enough discipline, you will begin to outgrow it and want easier access to expressiveness. When that happens, the Bernolin or a wooden recorder of similar quality will open some doors for you.
    Thanks, guys!

    So, this "slightly more challenging upper register and increased sensitivity to fluctuations in breath pressure" is going to be true of any good upgrade - right? And I assume those are the things that help it to be more expressive?
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    When I read Plant based recorders - this is what I thought of..... I really need to get out more!!

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    Jan, yes to both questions.

    Jester, that's a marvelous instrument--a recorder you can play AND eat. I think I might have to try to make a few of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JesterBlod View Post
    When I read Plant based recorders - this is what I thought of..... I really need to get out more!!
    Yes, yes you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bacchettadavid View Post
    Jan, yes to both questions.

    Jester, that's a marvelous instrument--a recorder you can play AND eat. I think I might have to try to make a few of those.
    Thanks so much! Seems like the perfect recorder for me! Now to save up some money . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by bacchettadavid View Post
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    Short answer: Yes. The Bernolin compares favorably to other similarly priced wooden recorders.

    Long answer: It depends. If you have a clear idea of what you want and deeper pockets (and are willing to put up with wood), there are a few other comparable options out there at around the $1000 price point. In the 415Hz arena, I swear by Yamaha's Denner copy IF it matches what you're looking for.

    As for how the Bernolin compares to the Ecodear...as with ukuleles, the law of diminishing returns applies to recorders. There is a definite improvement in performance, but the ecodear recorders are not bad instruments, and the subtle improvements are accompanied by a slightly more challenging upper register and increased sensitivity to fluctuations in breath pressure, so there's also that consider.

    The Bernolin is still the best sub-$500 alto recorder I've played. It's one of the best sub-$1000 recorders I've played. That's without taking into account its maintenance advantages.

    In short, yes, the upgrade is worth the investment. If you approach the ecodear with enough discipline, you will begin to outgrow it and want easier access to expressiveness. When that happens, the Bernolin or a wooden recorder of similar quality will open some doors for you.
    Hi David,

    I am sorry for so many questions, but I don't have another source of information for this.

    I wonder if you would elaborate on a few things:
    1. If you have a clear idea of what you want - I have not played any "good" recorders. I have only played plastic and one cheap wooden recorder. I don't know what sounds I am looking for. I want to play baroque and early music, classical and church music. How do I figure out what I want if I don't have access to good recorders to try?

    2. There is a definite improvement in performance, but the ecodear recorders are not bad instruments, and the subtle improvements are accompanied by a slightly more challenging upper register and increased sensitivity to fluctuations in breath pressure. Are these subtle improvements enough for me, as a beginner, to hear and appreciate? If not, is it something that will come with time as I get better? I would be looking at this recorder as my main recorder and don't plan (at this point) of getting another.

    3.yes, the upgrade is worth the investment. If you approach the ecodear with enough discipline, you will begin to outgrow it and want easier access to expressiveness. When that happens, the Bernolin or a wooden recorder of similar quality will open some doors for you. So, how long of this "enough discipline"? Is this something I should consider now so that I can grow into it, or would it be better to stick with the ecodear until a future point in time?

    4. A415 vs A440: I intend to play the recorder solo. I will mainly play for my enjoyment but I won't rule out maybe wanting to play sometime at church (solo or possibly accompanied). I am guessing as long as I am solo, A415 won't matter. However, if I want to play with someone else or be accompanied, I assume I would need A440. Is that correct?

    Thanks so much!
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    I can help with some of this:
    1. If you have a rough idea of what you want, give a Bill Lazar a call and have him send you a few that meet your needs and budget. You can send back the ones you don't want and all you're out is shipping both ways.

    2/3. Can't help there. I'm never been in the camp of "wait till later when you need/deserve a special instrument". If you can afford it and enjoy it, that's enough for me even if you aren't "getting the most" out of it yet.

    4. Depends. A440 will be more versatile in general as access to more common keys like C, G, F, etc. is easier. And you'll be able to read other "C instrument" music without transposing. On the other hand, if you play with guitarists a lot, A415 could be useful as your recorder would then be "in E" and give you easier access to guitar friendly keys.
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    Iriguchi Tenor "Weeble" - A, WoU Clarity
    Blue Star 19" baritone Konablaster - DGBE
    Cocobolo 16" SC#1-gCEA, SC SLMU
    Ono #42 19" baritone, Ab, LW
    Imua iET-Bb, M600
    Covered Bridge CLN pineapple - Eb cuatro, SC XLL
    Rogue bari
    Bonanza super tenor, cFAD SC LHU
    Kala KSLNG, Eb SC XLU
    Flea soprano, C LW
    Hanson 5-string tenor, dGCEA
    Bonanza SLN GCEA
    Bonanzalele concert
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Hanks View Post
    I can help with some of this:
    1. If you have a rough idea of what you want, give a Bill Lazar a call and have him send you a few that meet your needs and budget. You can send back the ones you don't want and all you're out is shipping both ways.

    2/3. Can't help there. I'm never been in the camp of "wait till later when you need/deserve a special instrument". If you can afford it and enjoy it, that's enough for me even if you aren't "getting the most" out of it yet.

    4. Depends. A440 will be more versatile in general as access to more common keys like C, G, F, etc. is easier. And you'll be able to read other "C instrument" music without transposing. On the other hand, if you play with guitarists a lot, A415 could be useful as your recorder would then be "in E" and give you easier access to guitar friendly keys.
    Thanks, Jim!

    As to the "wait until" question, it is more a matter of will it be much harder to play because of its sensitivity to breathe pressure, etc. I don't want to get so frustrated I quit!

    I figure the A440 would probably be my best bet since I don't have a guitarist to play with and the A440 would be more versatile. I do love the recorder sounding lower because I like the lower sounds. (I have a tenor but the reach is hard! I need to work with it to see if I can adjust to the stretch).

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