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    1. It's rather similar to other specialty instruments (like the ukulele). Simply lend an attentive ear to accomplished instrumentalists, listen to your own playing, evaluate the differences, and you'll develop a good sense of what you want over time. In the meantime, just keep playing and focusing on your musicianship.

    2. You'll notice the differences; they are not insignificant. Even before you play the Bernolin, the finer craftmanship on display will be readily apparent.

    3. That depends on too many factors--from practice habits and listening skills to to musical aptitude and focus--to answer definitively. You will probably need to work a fair bit on breath support and tongue control (think long tones and articulation exercises), but there's nothing wrong with that. You'll be doing it for as long as you play the recorder anyways.

    4. I'll let Jim's answer stand on this matter. A440 is more versatile; A415 is necessary to play baroque music with other period performers. FWIW, I'd go A415 on the Bernolin and hang on to the ecodear for A440 stuff, but I say that as a soloist and chamber/consort player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bacchettadavid View Post
    FWIW, I'd go A415 on the Bernolin and hang on to the ecodear for A440 stuff, but I say that as a soloist and chamber/consort player.
    I'd say that too just because it's a lot easier to find an A440 stateside in that price range or less. BTW, this thread made me think about A392 again, and I sent an email asking if there were any plans. He said there aren't any immediate plans but didn't completely rule it out.
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    Kala KSLNG, Eb SC XLU
    Flea soprano, C LW
    Hanson 5-string tenor, dGCEA
    Bonanza SLN GCEA
    Bonanzalele concert
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    Thank you so much, David and Jim! I have no one near to discuss this with.

    You make a good point on ordering the Bernolin at A415 since I have the ecodear in A440 and, as Jim said, A440 is easier to find.

    I have heard a lot of good things about the Zen-on Bressan and have ordered the new G-1A from ebay for $54. I am looking forward to trying it.

    Now to save up for the Bernolin!

    Do we have a recorder group here on UU?
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    Hi folks. I am new to this forum, and I feel kind of odd about joining a ukelele forum, considering that I do not even own one (I just learned how to spell it!). But I found this interesting thread via a Google search and wanted to get some more info about the Bernolin resin alto.

    My main questions concern the maintainability of the Bernolin, as far as voicing and also thumbhole wear. Considering that the Bernolin has a wooden block, wouldn't it need periodic revoicing, just like any regular wooden recorder, and unlike a plastic one like the ecodear? If so, can a regular instrument repair person (say at Von Huene Workshop) do the adjustment? I have never paid to have a wooden recorder revoiced, but I have several of them that REALLY need it. I am kind of hoping that the answer is that the Bernolin doesn't rquire it very much because half of the windway is plastic, but I would like to see what people think.

    I kind of wonder why Bernolin didn't make the resin recorder with a resin block (or at least offer it as an option). Perhaps because of the additional clogging that would almost certainly happen, but hey, I can live with it with my regular plastic recorders, and if the goal is to have a superior (i.e. not made from injection molding) low-maintenance recorder, why not use a resin block?

    Essentially the same question applies to the thumbhole. I am pretty gentle on thumbholes, but eventually it starts to get grooves in it and I know with a wooden instrument you can get it "re-bushed" by being drilled out and having a new bushing made from artificial ivory (plastic, I guess!) inserted. But again, since this is a funky-material recorder, could this be done by a regular workshop, do you think? With regular plastic recorders, I usually just buy a new one when necessary (say every 5 years or so).

    Any info would be very helpful. I am almost ready to buy the Bernolin, but not quite... :-)

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    Hmm, why don't you send an email to him and ask? I found him to be very responsive and personable - even though he isn't interested in making my A392 instruments.
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    Blue Star 19" baritone Konablaster - DGBE
    Cocobolo 16" SC#1-gCEA, SC SLMU
    Ono #42 19" baritone, Ab, LW
    Imua iET-Bb, M600
    Covered Bridge CLN pineapple - Eb cuatro, SC XLL
    Rogue bari
    Bonanza super tenor, cFAD SC LHU
    Kala KSLNG, Eb SC XLU
    Flea soprano, C LW
    Hanson 5-string tenor, dGCEA
    Bonanza SLN GCEA
    Bonanzalele concert
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    I did ask about whether you had to break in the recorder since it has a wooden block. This is his answer:
    The block is made of treated cedar and is more resistant to water than a standard one. There is no need to break in . But there is a possibility that you would have to send the recorder back to me someday. I evaluate that approx 10% of the recorders I sell come back someday for a service. It is not much, and of course far less than wooden recorders would ask for.
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    Thanks for your suggestions and info, Jim and Jan. It's interesting what he had to say about the wooden block. I guess I'm being overly cautious, but $500 does that to me! ;-)

    Perhaps I'll write to him, although I guess his answer about it being unnessesary to break in the block answers my question about revoicing. Maybe he can give me an idea about the hardness of the thumbhole (vs standard plastic). I have been thinking of getting the white one, but from what I read on the website, the black is somewhat harder (it says "stiffer"). Somehow I think it wouldn't matter much.

    While I'm at it, I can ask him to consider making a voice-flute - alto in D - version of the resin recorder. That would be a no-brainer!

    I'll report back if I get an answer. Thanks again, folks!

    Rich

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    Took me about a week to get an answer.

    If you get one, let us know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAH View Post
    While I'm at it, I can ask him to consider making a voice-flute - alto in D - version of the resin recorder. That would be a no-brainer!
    Voice flute is more of a tenor in D but only half step down from alto in Eb that I asked about (I.e. A392) - no plans for that one either. I can understand it though as the market for either is very small.
    Ukulele:
    Iriguchi Tenor "Weeble" - A, WoU Clarity
    Blue Star 19" baritone Konablaster - DGBE
    Cocobolo 16" SC#1-gCEA, SC SLMU
    Ono #42 19" baritone, Ab, LW
    Imua iET-Bb, M600
    Covered Bridge CLN pineapple - Eb cuatro, SC XLL
    Rogue bari
    Bonanza super tenor, cFAD SC LHU
    Kala KSLNG, Eb SC XLU
    Flea soprano, C LW
    Hanson 5-string tenor, dGCEA
    Bonanza SLN GCEA
    Bonanzalele concert
    Guitars:
    Jupiter #47, G, TI CF127

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    Hi folks. I sent an email to Mr. Bernolin asking about the need for revoicing and also wear on the thumbhole, and whether repairs could be made by a regular instrument repair shop (seeing as how it is not a standard wooden recorder). I also asked about the possibility of a voice flute.

    He sent me this reply:

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    "Hello Richard

    The recorder may need a revoicing during its life, but nothing close to a wooden one. There are quite a lot of recorders
    I don't hear about . Yes you could bring it to an experienced local recorder maker. It is made just like a noce professional intrument.

    Yes, the thumb hole can be rebushed as for a wooden recorder. I never had to do this.

    I don't schedule a Voice Flute actually, but it is exact it is an interesting project as some other people asked me for"

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    So, that does answer my concerns a lot. It sounds like it will last a long time without needing any repair (he's never even had to rebush a thumbhole).

    And check it out - he practically said yes about the voice flute! (well, not really - I read a lot between the lines). ;-)

    All kidding aside, I think he would essentially have the market all to himself for a relatively inexpensive voice flute. The only other game in town is to spend thousands, as far as I can see. Such an over-sized alto (under-sized tenor) would probably cost about say $600-650. Sign me up! Not much demand, but I'll bet a lot of recorder amateurs / enthusiasts would buy one, and you know Yamaha or Aulos won't be making one. The big attraction of a voice flute is that you can play flute music as is, without transposing. I'm not sure my hands are large enough, but I'd get one if he made one...

    Anyway, I ordered the resin alto in white (442Hz version), which came to $496 including shipping, after Paypal and exchange rate conversion. Can't wait to get it!! Now I suppose I'll have to buy a ukulele... ;-)

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