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    Default Marketplace blues

    This is a bit of a vent but also a question so I hope it is OK to post. This week I agreed thru PM to buy a uke that was for sale in the marketplace. Last night I was informed by the seller that he sold it locally, without even so much as a warning that he had another interested party. I understand that this an informal marketplace but I really hope that this is not the norm. To me the sale ends once the buyer and seller agree even if no money has been exchanged. If something goes wrong after that it seems fair to re-list the item. Maybe I'm being naive here but I would honor an agreement done thru PM even if it meant less money and I hope that for the vast majority of people here that is how they see it as well. In the end it's not a big deal, there will be plenty more out there to buy and I have a beautiful Graziano to play but it does make me think twice now when looking.

    Thanks for letting me vent.

    John

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    Vent away John, most of us have had deals go sideways on us and we are left with a feeling of general distrust... but on the other hand i have dealt with some amazingly honest and classy people here so give it a while and then step back up and you probably find the next seller you deal with is a good experience.

    On another note i still think having a sub-forum of trading feedback would be a great thing, it is used in so many other forums and may save a buyer from making a bad choice.
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    never bought or sold a uke in the marketplace....but once you say you are buying don't you follow up right away with payment? I am sure if the seller had the money in his hands he never would of sold the uke to anyone else.....don't know the details but hard to argue your point unless we hear from the seller....

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    Shake it off. Maybe that uke really wasn't destined for you. Maybe you avoided a problem.

    I've bought and sold many a uke here and elsewhere, 99% were smooth transactions.
    Folks agree on terms and price, and it's a done deal.

    One bad apple doesn't mean the whole bunch are.
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    As a very active buyer, seller, and trader, this happens more than I would like as well, BUT, the times that it has happened to me has caused a delay long enough for me to get something that wasn't available when I started the transaction and I ended up happier.

    It'a quite upsetting as I have had sellers actually tell me that they changed their mind on selling me something because they found a buyer that would pay more. Smile, bite your lip, and realize that there is something better out there. Also, most of these people disappeared soon after, so.....

    Most of my transactions have been great experiences and I have made friends that will last for a long time. It is a great place to transact business and have fun. Don't get discouraged. Keep it up. You will take away much more from this forum in positive experiences than you will in negatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc_J View Post
    Shake it off. Maybe that uke really wasn't destined for you. Maybe you avoided a problem.

    I've bought and sold many a uke here and elsewhere, 99% were smooth transactions.
    Folks agree on terms and price, and it's done deal.

    On bad apple doesn't mean the whole bunch are.
    I agree Hodge!

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    Normally I do agree with Hodge and I guess I still do but that 1% can hurt and you have to be careful.

    I have a Collings UT2 up for sale and a "New Member" for Malyasia contacted me and said he wanted to buy it. Over the last 5 days we have gone back and forth and he keeps asking questions and slowly trying to change the terms. It should have been a simple paypal transaction, I do not even ask for friends and family, I take the hit so both parties are covered. He sent me another email wanting an invoice from me and an hour ago he suggested we forget paypal so I don't loose money and he would transfer the funds into my bank account.

    I told him the deal was off and I would not be scamed. I gave him an hour to make the paypal deposit and he has not done that.
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    I do not hear about this happening often here on UU, so this abandoning of a sale here for a local offer is likely the exception.

    Typically if an item in the marketplace is ALSO for sale local to the seller, they will disclose that in the sale listing, if not, it seems dishonest to me.

    As a general rule, I will not make an offer if:

    1. The seller is new to the forum, i.e., less than 4-5 months at least.
    2. The seller has less than 100 posts to the forum.
    3. The seller's account is several years old, yet they also have less than 100 posts here.

    Reasons for the above are related to the fact that if the seller is not part of this community, then they have no reputation, no history, and no engagement here.

    Hit-and-run sales can be done MANY other places online, ebay, cragslist, kijiji and others where there is no 'community'.

    I'm not paranoid, but I've found lots of lies or incompetent descriptions on ebay and craigslist, and whether due to ignorance or malice, the end result is that you really have no perfect idea what in fact you are sending your money across the internet to buy.

    Trying to get your money back is ALWAYS a hassle unless you deal with honest folks. Yes, YYMV, but most folks here on UU are not interested in hurting other people or perpetuating scams, otherwise they'd likely be banned after a few bad transactions.

    So, even though I've been burned by sellers on ebay a handful of times, I am still optimistic that if you can do your own diligence and research, you can mitigate the problems with Marketplace deals, here on UU and elsewhere.

    I will continue to try and believe that NOT everyone is evil.
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    I may go a bit against the flow here, but I feel that unless money has been exchanged, the seller is free to take up another offer. I understand why someone would prefer to sell a ukulele locally: less hassle with shipping, no risk for either side with the money transfer, and instant gratification, though I also understand John's frustration in a case like this. It's probably one of those situations where the views of both parties are valid.

    That said, personally, if I sold a ukulele, I would not offer it in different places at the same time (say, here and also locally), precisely to avoid a situation like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DownUpDave View Post
    Normally I do agree with Hodge and I guess I still do but that 1% can hurt and you have to be careful.

    I have a Collings UT2 up for sale and a "New Member" for Malyasia contacted me and said he wanted to buy it. Over the last 5 days we have gone back and forth and he keeps asking questions and slowly trying to change the terms. It should have been a simple paypal transaction, I do not even ask for friends and family, I take the hit so both parties are covered. He sent me another email wanting an invoice from me and an hour ago he suggested we forget paypal so I don't loose money and he would transfer the funds into my bank account.

    I told him the deal was off and I would not be scamed. I gave him an hour to make the paypal deposit and he has not done that.
    Booli's criterion might be good advice for those of us looking to sell as well.

    All I can say is that we swim in a sea of Ukuleles and a better one will show up!
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