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    Default A good read....

    One of my Facebook club members pointed me to this:

    https://www.cumpiano.com/a-pedagog-s-lament

    I could have written this... you really do have to pay your dues in this business.

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    I totally disagree with that sentiment. Paying dues is so negative. Basically it says you have to become a dog or a slave to live or learn. Soooooo English. Maybe I missed something and maybe my outlook on life is wrong headed but I don't think so. I say follow the self and be free. Very Californian I know, but that is my take... Aloha Pete! I love you.

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    The article is written by a Californian no? You do have to prove yourself to become a master at anything. In Japan, you are usually in your 40's before you are considered anything near approaching the zenith of your craft... If you read the article Cumpiano is focusing on those who think that a 5 month immersive program at the Roberto Venn ~School qualifies them to be called a luthier!

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    I enjoyed that article. What I found very interesting was it was written in 1988, well before the internet and electronic media age. I just assumed he was talking about the now generation with a smart phone in their hand 100% of the time looking for instant success. Apparently that mind set was prevalent before social media, every generation through the ages has been like this.

    I did not take this as negative, not at all, I took this as a truism. If you want to get good at anything, fishing, moutainbiking, skiing, playing the accordion, flying model airplanes you have to put in your time. Paying your dues is just one way of phrasing it. Honing your craft has a nice ring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sequoia View Post
    I totally disagree with that sentiment. Paying dues is so negative. Basically it says you have to become a dog or a slave to live or learn. Soooooo English. Maybe I missed something and maybe my outlook on life is wrong headed but I don't think so. I say follow the self and be free. Very Californian I know, but that is my take...
    That’s not how I read the article. I have found that the more experience (and memory of it) that you have of any task does improve your skill level, as such the price you pay for improved skills is the time and effort invested. Who you actually pay those ‘dues’ to I couldn’t say, maybe it depends on whether you are self taught or guided by a master of the craft (who may or may not charge fairly), but there is an exchange.
    Last edited by Graham Greenbag; 12-25-2017 at 11:31 PM.

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    Heck I have been paying my dues for 45 years, not in luthiery though. If something needs to be built my sister says, 'but you are a natural at it'. No, no natural, a lot of 'how can I salvage what I just did?' I do have a leg up on building instruments having the experience I have. But I am new to fine woodworking and I still think of my works as amateurish. Mind you the current state of expectations are far higher than was the case a hundred years ago, or those that can not imagine how the thing was made and are impressed by anything that holds a set of strings. I am told (just two days ago) I should build and sell custom instruments. Not quite up to that level yet, maybe in a few more years and more than a few more instruments.

    But this is from someone that has been around the block a few times and might be of the same opinion of Cumpiano. I don't see him as saying you are to be in servitude to anyone and have to grovel and know your place before you get ahead. More that you to be in servitude to the craft and spend some time learning the ins and outs of it before you think you hang up a shingle and leap when you are just learning to jump.

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    Sequoia, paying dues is a reality. It doesn't matter if you are a uke builder or uke player or whatever; paying dues is a reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sequoia View Post
    I totally disagree with that sentiment. Paying dues is so negative. Basically it says you have to become a dog or a slave to live or learn. Soooooo English. Maybe I missed something and maybe my outlook on life is wrong headed but I don't think so. I say follow the self and be free. Very Californian I know, but that is my take... Aloha Pete! I love you.
    You appear to have totally missed the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sequoia View Post
    I totally disagree with that sentiment. Paying dues is so negative. Basically it says you have to become a dog or a slave to live or learn. Soooooo English. Maybe I missed something and maybe my outlook on life is wrong headed but I don't think so. I say follow the self and be free.
    I’ve been thinking about your words through the day and a book that I’m reading prompts an alternative understanding of them, unfortunately it’s not one that I can easily put into words. There is a process to learning about anything that takes time, patience, application and effort but the reward for that investment is competence and maybe even excellence. I’ve indicated what the journey is to reach competence and we are mostly agreed that the journey is tough. However, things are different if you’re of the mindset that doesn’t mind a tough journey, that enjoys the challenges, that draws strength from defeats and that takes pleasure and reward from the passing milestones. Electively enjoying the journey or process puts the issue in a very different light, well so I think and I think that that is the point you are trying to make.
    Last edited by Graham Greenbag; 12-26-2017 at 10:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Greenbag View Post
    unfortunately it’s not one that I can easily put into words.
    Seriously, you need not have worried.

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