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    Anyone know if its possible to get high tension strings with baritone tuning on a tenor scale? I know Chee does a set with a high D but would like a set with the standard low DGBE tuning with wound D and G.?
    Apologies if this has come up alot.
    I live in the UK and Don't get on with Aquila..preferably fluorocarbons for the trebles..

    Thanks Ukers

    George.

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    Hi George, it may be worth contacting Ken Middleton, he's based in the UK and markets his own brand of strings called Living Water http://www.kenmiddleton.co.uk/living-water-strings/
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    Or check out the Southcoast Strings website/email Dirk. Lots and lots of knowledge he's shared there and would probably be happy to expand upon if you emailed him. But check the FAQs first and take a look around. He's written about a lot of this kind of stuff already. http://www.southcoastukes.com/string%20sets.htm
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    Yup, as ubulele said, any classical guitar set's middle 4 strings (ADGB) should tune up to DGBE on a tenor ukulele.

    The scale length and body size of the tenor may not accomodate this tuning very well though

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    You won't have much luck with Southcoast or Living Water for low D on tenor scale. SC barely recommends G tuning for baritone and the LW low D barely works for baritone.

    I don't know about high tension, but note that 17" guilele tuning is ADGCEA, so the middle 4 are quite close to target. That might be a good place to start.
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    -Ono #42 19" baritone, Ab, LW
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    What ubulele said - plus isn't that E tuning set for the Mini, which is 20" scale?

    There's this one for 17" but that's an octave higher: https://aquilacorde.com/modern-instr...igher/?lang=en

    This one's definitely for 20" - https://www.amazon.com/Cordoba-Mini-.../dp/B012I5BCRO
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    Current Stable:
    -Ohana TKS-15E - Eb cuatro
    -Iriguchi Tenor "Weeble" - Bb, SC SMU
    -Blue Star 19" baritone Konablaster - DGBE
    -KPK pineapple SLN-GCEA
    -Cocobolo 16" SC#1-gCEA, SC SLMU
    -Ono #42 19" baritone, Ab, LW
    -Imua iET-Bb, M600
    -Covered Bridge CLN pineapple - Eb cuatro, SC XLL
    -Rogue bari
    -Bonanza super tenor, FBL cFAD
    Once upon a time:
    -RISA Concert Stick
    -Bruko sop. custom #6
    -Lanikai lam hog bari
    -Kala SLNG
    -Bruko bari
    -Gold Tone BUT


    Jim's Blog

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubulele View Post
    Um, no, I got confused and was talking about baritone scale, not DGBE on tenor scale, so I've deleted my post. If my rough calculations are correct, I wouldn't recommend using the middle four guitar strings on a tenor if you want higher tension in G tuning. Consider that a tenor is roughly a third of a guitar's scale: a tenor nut comes in a bit above the guitar's 7th fret. So using the same tension, the strings at that length would produce pitches over a fifth above the guitar's: low to high, B E A D F# B (but a little sharper). Comparing your target pitches (D G B E) to the middle four pitches, you'd have to lower the tension, like down-tuning by over a whole step, the very opposite of what you intend.

    I couldn't speak to whether using high-tension or extra-high tension guitar sets would adequately compensate to give the result you desire (and whether using extra-high-tension sets would be safe). Added to which, not all "normal" guitar strings are designed for the same tensions. When Booli ran figures for a couple of tunings, it turned out that with different brands of guitar sets you'd want to use different string re-mappings, sometimes shifting over, sometimes not. Sadly, the simplest solution is to get out charts of string tensions for various guitar sets, then start crunching figures. In other threads on similar topics, Booli several times linked to a handy string tension calculator on the D'Addario website, so rummage about there.

    As kissing said, most tenor bodies are really too small to adquately resonate well down to low D, so although I do like linear C tuning on tenors (which go as low as reentrant G ones) and even keep a tenor in linear Bb tuning, I myself wouldn't bother with linear G tuning on a tenor. (I do have a concert in viola fifths tuning, which goes down to low C [!] but not without a clear sacrifice in tone.)

    There's no need to fear using the middle 4 strings of a classical set on a tenor.
    Middle 4 strings work for DGBE strings for a baritone.
    Using the same strings on a shorter scale like tenor results in an even lower tension.

    I've done this many times for years. The tension does not feel any tighter than regular tenor strings. In fact, it's probably a bit less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubulele View Post
    ...as I pointed out. But OP is specifically seeking higher tension, and there's the rub.
    Classical guitar strings come in different tensions.
    Just get a High tension set, easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblackegg View Post
    Anyone know if its possible to get high tension strings with baritone tuning on a tenor scale? I know Chee does a set with a high D but would like a set with the standard low DGBE tuning with wound D and G.?
    Apologies if this has come up alot.
    I live in the UK and Don't get on with Aquila..preferably fluorocarbons for the trebles..



    Thanks Ukers

    George.
    Since you live in the UK I would definately check with living waters. Ken is based out of the UK and he makes custom fluorocarbons which sound great ar very well balanced...plus high tension. I ordered a dGBE set for my tenor which I love. I believe he makes a DGBE set, though not really listed on his site. You have to send him an email, which he promptly responds to... 😃

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    ubulele, there's no need to delete your post any time someone disagrees or has a different opinion.. gee :/

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