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    I haven’t finished reading the entirety of the OP’s links (very long and interesting) and I certainly don’t understand it all but this bit sumed it up for a layperson like me, especially when you consider the source of the “controversy.”

    The Story Behind Scientific pitch

    The Scientific pitch was first proposed in 1713 by French physicist Joseph Sauveur (and thus is also sometimes called Sauveur pitch), promoted briefly by Italian composer Giuseppe Verdi in the 19th century (why its sometimes called Verdi pitch), and then advocated by the Schiller Institute beginning in the 1980s (as a conspiracy theory). 432 Hz (plus scientific) is thought of as more symmetric, as we noted below, but reasoning for promoting it differs with each advocate.

    The Schiller Institute Versus the Beatles

    Since the 80’s scientific pitch been the subject of many conspiracy theories, in no small part due to the very controversial Schiller Institute, which has been its main promoter.

    Lyndon LaRouche, the leader of the Institute, claims among other things, that concert pitch, rock music, and acts like the Beatles were “a product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare Division specifications”. Specifically, he claimed that the asymmetric waveform of 440 Hz was being used in a negative fashion to “depress” society.

    So Is 440Hz a Conspiracy?

    While The writer agrees that 432Hz (plus scientific) has merit, he found no evidence that 440Hz (plus just intonation) was chosen for any malicious reason. Rather, it seems much more like it was chosen and stuck to for two reasons 1. because it works for all of western music and is practical, and 2. the same reason that us Americans use Feet and Inches (cause’; we picked a standard and we are sticking with it).

    TIP: Some charge that 440Hz (plus just intonation) has roots with NAZI or British psychological warfare. However, both these conspiracy theories ignore the history of the tuning debate and the fact that 432Hz (plus scientific) produces a ton of disharmony itself (even if only when specific chords and intervals are played). So its not like 432Hz (plus scientific) is completely harmonious in every situation. How often is music just comprised of single notes?

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    This probably isn't on point, but this discussion has reminded me of how things were back in the late 60's and early 70's, when my 3 brothers and I started a band.
    We used two guitars, a bass, and drums. Looking back, I'm not really sure where in the "Hz" spectrum we might've been tuned. In fact, it's very likely that we were tuning slightly higher or slightly lower from one gig to the next, without really being aware of it. We didn't have any tangible point of "universal" reference such as a pitch pipe or electronic tuner. We just kind of tuned to where it felt about right, and then made doubly sure we were all in tune with each other, and all was well !! It's funny how nowadays, 50 years later, as a ukulele player, I constantly check to make sure I'm tuned to the level dictated by my Snark clip-on tuner, even though I'm almost always playing by myself !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinlover View Post
    I haven’t finished reading the entirety of the OP’s links (very long and interesting) and I certainly don’t understand it all but this bit sumed it up for a layperson like me, especially when you consider the source of the “controversy.”

    The Story Behind Scientific pitch

    The Scientific pitch was first proposed in 1713 by French physicist Joseph Sauveur (and thus is also sometimes called Sauveur pitch), promoted briefly by Italian composer Giuseppe Verdi in the 19th century (why its sometimes called Verdi pitch), and then advocated by the Schiller Institute beginning in the 1980s (as a conspiracy theory). 432 Hz (plus scientific) is thought of as more symmetric, as we noted below, but reasoning for promoting it differs with each advocate.

    The Schiller Institute Versus the Beatles

    Since the 80’s scientific pitch been the subject of many conspiracy theories, in no small part due to the very controversial Schiller Institute, which has been its main promoter.

    Lyndon LaRouche, the leader of the Institute, claims among other things, that concert pitch, rock music, and acts like the Beatles were “a product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare Division specifications”. Specifically, he claimed that the asymmetric waveform of 440 Hz was being used in a negative fashion to “depress” society.

    So Is 440Hz a Conspiracy?

    While The writer agrees that 432Hz (plus scientific) has merit, he found no evidence that 440Hz (plus just intonation) was chosen for any malicious reason. Rather, it seems much more like it was chosen and stuck to for two reasons 1. because it works for all of western music and is practical, and 2. the same reason that us Americans use Feet and Inches (cause’; we picked a standard and we are sticking with it).

    TIP: Some charge that 440Hz (plus just intonation) has roots with NAZI or British psychological warfare. However, both these conspiracy theories ignore the history of the tuning debate and the fact that 432Hz (plus scientific) produces a ton of disharmony itself (even if only when specific chords and intervals are played). So its not like 432Hz (plus scientific) is completely harmonious in every situation. How often is music just comprised of single notes?
    Can you share a link to the source of this above text? Thanks!
    -Joe......Have uke, will travel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarmo_S View Post
    I do find these talks interesting. Ubu also managed to put a funny post this time.
    I think the difference between 440 and 432 hertzes is something like about 32 cents instead 25 cents, so way off.
    Actually all I did was calibrate my IMT tuner to 432 and tuned my uke down. I then re-set it to 440 and the digital tuner needle looked to be around 25cents flat. If it is really 32, or 22, or 42 it makes no difference.

    Bill’s post about playing in the 60’s and 70’s is so right on. We did the same thing unless there was a piano close by. Then we got “closer”. And today I also use a clip on tuner religiously on my ukulele.

    John

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    Hi Joe King, it’s the second link in the OP.

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    Allegedly in the 19th century orchestras were tuning higher and higher to get a better sound, hence the tuning forks in higher ranges. This became a problem for singers who couldnt be tuned up and had trouble with fewer and fewer singers being able to hit the high notes. Some sort of standardisation was needed to stop the High A Tuning arms race.

    Arguably, tuning now is even more important with multi-track recording. In the past an orchestra needed to be only in tune with itself. But now it needs to be in tune for someone to come back later and record an additional track. Even a humble youtuber (is there such a thing?) needs to have the same tuning day to day on their single instrument,.

    One thing left out of this discussion was that at the time of setting the international standard, which i think was originally 1939 rather than 1956, the BBC were only able to generate tones at certain frequencies. I read somewhere this was a limitation in their dials (needing whole numbers not decimal places and 440 being more divisible than 432 into whole numbers) but below link talks about the division of piezo crystal frequency.

    https://www.wam.hr/sadrzaj/us/Cavanagh_440Hz.pdf

    also http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com...andard-feature

    In the digital age this wouldn't matter because we can choose 437.32 as the standard if we want but in the analog age whole numbers were more important for a window of time.

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    Purely by coincidence, I was looking for a pitch practicing app in the iOS store to help improve my "ear". I thought I found one based on establishing pitch memory that would work well, until I realized that the whole thing was built around just tuning. Had I not read this thread a couple of days prior, I could have actually done myself a disservice in using that app.

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    Many European countries use a different concert pitch of either 442 Hz, 443 Hz, or 444 Hz instead of 440 Hz. Would that make Europeans more or less aggressive than those nations who are constantly exposed to 440 Hz?

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    I've been tuning my uke to A=440h for more than twenty years and have never felt the urge to march on Poland.

    John Colter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukantor View Post
    I've been tuning my uke to A=440h for more than twenty years and have never felt the urge to march on Poland.

    John Colter.
    Well, sure... you'd probably get your uke wet during the crossing!

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