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    I have a different mindset about this: I feel the hardware on an instrument should last for a lifetime, and not just for sustainability, but also because I'd assume that the breaking of a tuner puts a lot of stress and potential damage on an instrument. To me, this is still a knockoff with several disadvantages over the real thing. I'd happily pay twice the price for real Gotohs if I don't have to worry about them breaking or slipping. Also not keen on putting extra screw holes in an instrument for tuners that might end up failing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakelele View Post
    I have a different mindset about this: I feel the hardware on an instrument should last for a lifetime, and not just for sustainability, but also because I'd assume that the breaking of a tuner puts a lot of stress and potential damage on an instrument. To me, this is still a knockoff with several disadvantages over the real thing. I'd happily pay twice the price for real Gotohs if I don't have to worry about them breaking or slipping. Also not keen on putting extra screw holes in an instrument for tuners that might end up failing.
    Right. Although the Gotohs are twice the price, they look better and work better, and they are a plus when selling an instrument. Regardless how inexpensive an item is, if it's not reliable, people won't want to buy it. I find it hard to believe that Ratio didn't test these tuners sufficiently to find weak points before selling them to the masses. If people here have had so many failures, what is happening with the Ratio buyers who haven't posted here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakelele View Post
    I have a different mindset about this: I feel the hardware on an instrument should last for a lifetime, and not just for sustainability, but also because I'd assume that the breaking of a tuner puts a lot of stress and potential damage on an instrument. To me, this is still a knockoff with several disadvantages over the real thing. I'd happily pay twice the price for real Gotohs if I don't have to worry about them breaking or slipping. Also not keen on putting extra screw holes in an instrument for tuners that might end up failing.
    Agree. To me, the only real use of these tuners would be for an Outdoor, as that would truly make them outdoor friendly, and they won't hurt those ukes if they break. . Their failure rate would hurt Outdoors reputation however.

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    One more Graph Tech Ratio Tuner on my Kala Koa Elite has bit the dust, this time the one for the low G string. Like before, it quickly detunes when taken up to pitch, dropping about a whole step in a second or so. So three out of four. The good news is HMS customer service is truly excellent and they will replace the Ratio tuners—free of charge—with a set of Gotoh UPTs. I left my Kala Koa Elite at the shop and they said I can pick it up tomorrow afternoon.

    Incidentally, we checked out another ukulele with the Graph Tech Ratio Tuners installed and two failed out the gate, detuning rapidly...

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    Wow, that's weird with the de-winding, I haven't had any of that with mine, they turn very smoothly and hold well, although one of mine snapped off. So far so good with the replacement. I expect they will work out the kinks. They work as well as Grover 9s, I like tuning from the back, and they look better IMO. I'll eventually buy more.
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    I’m disappointed with graph tech results so far. I really wanted them to work. Maybe they will find a solution? Frankly I was surprised when I was on HMS that Kala Elites had them on for the overall price of the Elite instrument. I also saw some Tydes with them. Let’s hope is get figured out. I have to agree, HMS are great. Going above And beyond to fix. You will be happier with Gotoh UPT I’m sure.

    One could do the graphtech change out if only one failed and replacement supplied on a cheaper instrument but for me when you are in the +$900 and up, I would not want them on instrument as they currently ship.

    I really like that Koa Elite you picked. Nice model. Good luck

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    The Gotoh UPTs are amazing on my Koa Elite: extremely precise, handsome and fast and easy to tune with. A wee twitch of the knob and the tuning is locked in. The Ratios—not considering the mechanical failures—were really smooth but sloppy and imprecise, requiring a lot of back and forth. And, yeah, the Ratios were ugly and cheap looking compared to the UPTs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gochugogi View Post
    .......—I find them smoother turning than my Gotoh UPT but less responsive. That is, if I make a small adjustment, nothing happens so I make a bigger one and it skips over the pitch.....
    If that is the case, I can already do that with friction pegs! LOL

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    Gochugogi,
    With the new UPT in Place on your Kala Elite are there any holes visible where the graph tech we held in place?
    Your experience is why I would expect UPT on that caliber of instrument. HMS has a very similar mahogany with white top binding and it had open back geared tuners. I Loved the sound of that tenor. Missed getting it as it sold. I think UPT is the way to go. hopefully graphtech do a second generation and fix the problems. Maybe to to metal or combination of metal and plastic or better plastic and more pre use gear movements.

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    Yes, there are tiny screw holes and they were filled with matching wood filler. I'd never notice unless I looked closely. Luckily the Ratios use really small screws. Some of my other instruments had big screws and left massive potholes!

    And, yeah, I loved the sound of the dog hair Elite they had at HMS. I was going to buy it but decided not to since it has the same crappy Ratio tuners (they failed while I was trying it out in the shop!). Instead I bought the standard doghair Elite directly from Kala, albeit I might miss the ebony board, at least no plastic tuner...

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