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    Default Long distance collaboration

    A friend asked me if I wanted to try to work out a duet.
    We're in different parts of the country, so this will be a long distance collaboration, if we can figure out how to do this.

    We've picked a song, (it will be an instrumental), so next step, obviously, is working out an arrangement, and then learning our parts. So, we've got a long ways to go before it becomes a duet.

    But, just thought I'd ask if anyone has any suggestions on how to approach this? Neither my friend nor I have ever tried anything like this. (In fact, I've only played on my own, with my dogs as the audience.)

    It could be a very fun project, if we can figure out how to do this.
    Neither of us are great with technology, which could become a sticking point, I suspect.

    Has anyone done a long distance project like this? Any input from anyone?

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    Following. I’d like to do this also!
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    UU members that participate in the Seasons of The Ukulele challenges do this kind of thing every week, but with video, which seems like a whole other can of worms, but for general audio collab, here is a general overview of what I know:

    1. Use a click track or a drum beat to keep things synchronized, set it for whatever tempo, say 100 beats per minute. You can record this with one of the parts. How ever the first person records it, save/export it as a WAV file for high fidelity.
    2. Email the file to the person who will do the second part.
    3. If you have a program like Garageband on Mac (or any other DAW {Digital Audio Workstation}), this is easy to do.
    4. Just set the proper tempo in Garageband to match the recording of the first part, and then import the WAV file of the first part into Garageband (or other DAW) via drag-and-drop.
    5. Then listen to make sure it sounds ok.
    6. Next, record the second part onto a second audio track and make sure to turn on "live monitoring" so you can hear both yourself playing while it records, and also the first track/part.


    I'm sure you will have lots of questions, but I'm afraid more technical details would be beyond me since I am no recording expert and do not feel I am capable of a more technical explanation.

    I learned all the above by watching dozens of YouTube videos, and then spending lots of time fussing with it.

    However, the process is essentially the same as any other multi-track audio recording, with the exception of importing an audio file (WAV). This is where locking to a specific and known tempo is important, and having an audible sound reference of either a metronome or simple drum machine sound embedded with the recording of the first musical part.

    Also, YouTube is filled with tons of tutorials on multi-track audio recording and how to do it. On a Mac, Garageband is pretty easy to use and is free now.

    If you do not know how to do multi-track audio recording, this could be a good place to start, otherwise, depending upon your experience with computer audio recording programs, you might get overwhelmed really easily.

    You can look for collabs in the Seasons here:

    https://forum.ukuleleunderground.com...of-the-Ukulele
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    Thanks, Joe.

    Neither my friend nor I have experience recording at all, so that will be one thing we need to learn about while we also work out the music.
    But, you've already helped a lot, and have given me some direction, which is appreciated.

    Does anyone have a suggestion for a Windows based program to use? I attempted to try Audacity in the past, and never figured it out at all. That's not a good sign, is it? LOL.

    But this could be a fun project, so maybe I'll devote more time to figuring out the technology aspect of it this go around.

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    Reaper is another "free to try" DAW though it is not necessarily the most user friendly either. If you're on iOS, a couple of easy ones are Multitrack DAW and Cubasis.

    The collaborators definitely need to be conversant with the technologies involved. They don't necessarily have to use the same software on each side as long as you can exchange .wav files and know how to get them in and out of either side.

    And I'll reiterate what Joe King said about the click track/fixed bpm. That's not entirely a must have either, but it really does make things a lot easier, especially if you're going to add software instruments like drum loops or something.

    P..s here's one Mezcalero and I did a couple years ago and there's a link to some production details on my blog
    https://forum.ukuleleunderground.com...-Children-Play
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    Thanks, Jim. I'll read the thread from UU, and your blog as well. Lots to learn!

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    Great collaboration with Mezcalero and Jim. It proves that the idea can work! At least with skilled people like you. :-)

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    The entire idea of Soundtrap, an online DAW, was originally long distance collaboration. Soundtrap has become more than that over the years (I believe it is currently owned by Spotify) but if you”re not looking for real time audio/video collaboration, this might be the way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Choirguy View Post
    The entire idea of Soundtrap, an online DAW, was originally long distance collaboration. Soundtrap has become more than that over the years (I believe it is currently owned by Spotify) but if you”re not looking for real time audio/video collaboration, this might be the way to go.
    Thanks. I'll look into it. There is sooo much I don't know.

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    There's also BandHub, which a few other UU members have used:

    https://www.bandhub.com/

    and a google search for "online music collab" brought up these others below, but I dont know anything about them:

    https://collabvideoapp.com/

    https://www.jamly.co/

    The main thing with sites like these is that you need to create an account and register with the service, and then you use the tools they provide in your web browser to make the recordings, which it seems that are hosted on their site, and they may allow for downloading or pushing the final edited recording to YouTube or Vimeo.

    By them hosting the content, it allows multiple people to work on the same project without you having to worry about downloading or sending different versions to each other via email or DropBox/Google Drive, etc.

    I think this might be pretty streamlined compared to the "old fashioned" way.

    Typical caveats about privacy, and your data living on someone elses server, and thus outside your total control, so take that for what it is
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