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    Hey Fingerguy, don't start thinking about a soprano tuned a, D, F#, B - you'll blow a gasket!

    Edit - I'll try again. Where you are going wrong is in thinking that fingering (for example) 0003 on a ukulele will always result in a "C" chord, and 0232 a "G". Here's the thing - ONLY IF IT IS TUNED GCEA. You are being misled by thinking that ALL ukuleles are (or should be) tuned gcea. That has become the standard tuning for the main three sizes, but not everybody uses it. Some very accomplished ukulele players started out playing Mandolin, and that's how they tune their ukes - same as a Mandolin. Many players worldwide prefer to tune their soprano ukes a,d,f#,b - which used to be standard tuning for sops.

    I hope that makes sense to you. It's the best I can do.

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    If the three sized ukes are tuned to D then the third fret would be a D. What's your point? What if the tenor is tuned to a G? The intervals of notes are the same, just a different pitch. As far as why play a bari.; the same reason others play the other three, they want too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerguy View Post
    I already know this. Going to say this one last time and then leaving this topic alone. The standard tuning of the baritone is different from the other 3 ukuleles. So the "chord" shapes will have different notes and as such I was asking what is the point of a Baritone? The open notes and the fretting is completely different. YES I know it is the same as the first 4 strings of a guitar. Yes I know the 3rd fret is a G. Yes I know the the 4 bar blues. What does that have to do with the question?

    Ugh! I will leave you all to discuss this for I feel only one maybe two get it. I'm out!
    The point of a baritone is this: some people WANT to play it.

    There. Does that answer your question? Did you seriously need us to tell you that? Isn't that the point of any instrument?

    Now you tell us: Why do you keep telling us the chord shapes map to different notes? WE ALREADY KNOW THAT, my friend. You seem to think this is a huge problem. We are telling you it's not much of a problem at all and there are many ways to deal with it.

    I am trying to understand your concern about baritones and the only thing I can figure is that you are seeing a mountain where there is only a molehill. We are trying to show you it's a molehill and that's why we're talking about guitars and 12-bar blues. You don't want to hear that so I will cut right to the chase and say this bluntly:

    The difference between GCEA and DGBE tuning is trivial. Not A Problem. Alternate tunings are common, transposing is a basic skill every musician needs at some point, and you should not trouble yourself over this.

    If YOU don't want to play bari, that's OK. As far as I know there is no secret police forcing people to play baritone uke so you have nothing to worry about. If you should ever decide the sound difference is worth it, you will probably discover that bari is nowhere near as difficult to play as you think it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkrownd View Post
    I am. I actually got my ukuleles to help me learn to play electric guitar. They are more conveniently sized to sit down and exercise my novice fingers on than the guitars. I have a tenor and a baritone, and I switch between them without thinking of them being any different. Same shapes, which just make slightly different sounds. My original instrument was lute....also pretty much the same thing on the fretting side with a different "right hand" technique.
    OK by me, though I could argue that you are not actually learning standard tuning. You are learning to play DGBE and pretending that's what you've got when you're holding a tenor. It works fine when you don't care what key you're in. When the only available instrument is a guitar, I have been known to play the bottom 4 strings and use GCEA chord fingerings -- which works in a pinch but I wouldn't say I was learning guitar ;-)

    Lute is cool. Were you using moveable frets? I wonder how to translate that onto ukulele!

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    I reckon Fingerguy will have his fingers in his ears by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerguy View Post
    Yes BUT a 3rd fret on a Ukulele (Soprano, Concert, & Tenor) is C not G. That is my whole point!!!
    But the 3rd fret on the first string on a guitar, and a baritone, is not a C, it is a G. I played guitar for decades before I went to the ukulele. I was thrilled the chord shapes were the same, actually easier with only 4 strings. This isn’t that difficult, unless you are trying to learn both at the same time. In which case, you might want to pick one and stick with that for a while.

    John

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    I was going to learn to play the guitar and found the ukulele instead. I was attracted to the ukulele by its lively re-entrant sound and after six years I am still a re-entrant man. Although I have often thought about picking up the guitar and learning to play it as well. For the first few years I thought that re-entrant defined the ukulele and made it a unique instrument. But over the years I've come to accept that no one can really tell me what defines the ukulele and they are not unique. After plenty of philosophical discussions on the subject I've decided that the ukulele is such a versatile toy that one can pretend it to be anything that you want it to be. So we have all kinds of "ukuleles" tuned in any number of ways and built to look and sound like everything and anything. Once you accept that there is no such thing as a definitive ukulele, you will be much more content and happier.
    I don't want to live in a world that is linear.

    I just want everyone to understand that I am not a ukulele expert, even though it may look at times like I'm pretending to be.

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    About 14 years ago I was a guitar player, struggling with the size of the guitar because of old injuries, when I met a music teacher in the course of business. We spoke about music & I mentioned my difficulty. He said I need a baritone uke. I'd never heard of one before. Now I own 2 of them. Their SIZE makes them a pleasure to play.
    That's why some people play baritone ukuleles!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendulele View Post
    And then there's the tenor guitar ...
    YES, got me two of those and 4 baritones and a whole gaggle of all the other sizes tuned “normal”
    Currently enjoying these ukuleles : *LdfM tenor, *LfdM 19" super tenor. *LfdM baritone, *I'iwi tenor , *Koolau tenor, *Webber tenor, *Kimo tenor, *Kimo super concert, *Mya Moe baritone, *Kamaka baritone, *Gianinni baritone, *Fred Shields super soprano, *Kala super soprano, *Loprinzi super soprano, *Black bear ULO concert , *Enya X1 concert, *Enya X1 pineapple soprano, *Gretsch tenor, *Korala plastic concert

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