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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarmo_S View Post
    That is so a wrong technique to use ubulele. You just don't mute with a fretting finger tip, never ever.

    What ripock told works, yours suck. But that is what most unfortunately do when they read 1X02.
    I don't understand your reasoning Jarmo. If it sounds good then what's the problem? Ripock's method is also muting with a fretting finger by the way.

    I find that 444X seems to work, also muting with the index fretting finger. Since the 4442 fingering uses two Bs of the same pitch (assuming an "in tune" re-entrant uke) we don't miss the first string B.

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    I'm also curious as to why the 2201 E6 is called the "George Formby E chord". I was also curious as to why the 2020 D7 with no 3 is often called a "Hawaiian D7". Are there other chords with names like these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Yates View Post
    I don't understand your reasoning Jarmo. If it sounds good then what's the problem? Ripock's method is also muting with a fretting finger by the way.

    I find that 444X seems to work, also muting with the index fretting finger. Since the 4442 fingering uses two Bs of the same pitch (assuming an "in tune" re-entrant uke) we don't miss the first string B.
    Jim Yates, with fretting instruments a fingertip when making chords, is or should be always on or off! You can brake your hand if you wish trying stupidly muting with a fingertip. I am not talking about flageolets, What ubulele suggested is dangerous and won't even work reliably. So someone with longtime knowledge like myself had to step in.

    1102 is just C#m7, the 6th degree chord in E. Your 2020 lacks the root, not 3rd in D7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ubulele View Post
    The problem with that particular muting technique is that the mute contact is so close to the nut that the muting is usually incomplete. When I was trying this, I found it more effective to use an E7 shape (1202) but just rest the middle finger on the 3rd string rather than press down. Changing the muting position to be a little farther from the nut works better.
    Ooh that works nicely! Brilliant tip. Thanks!
    I generally play 4442 but the fudged E7 will work nicely in some songs. I also agree that it’s better muting with the ring finger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarmo_S View Post
    Jim Yates, with fretting instruments a fingertip when making chords, is or should be always on or off! You can brake your hand if you wish trying stupidly muting with a fingertip. I am not talking about flageolets, What ubulele suggested is dangerous and won't even work reliably. So someone with longtime knowledge like myself had to step in.
    ZOMG! I’ve unwittingly imperiled myself by muting with my fretting fingers?!
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    Wait, what? Dangerous? How can touching a string with your finger be dangerous? Seriously?
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    I want to offer something, if I may. When I speak with my co-workers from El Salvador, in Spanish, I come across a bit brusque because I can speak Spanish but not well enough to speak with finesse. They understand that the tone is unintentional and they are open-minded about my stridency. I think we need to replicate that methodology here since not everyone is a native speaker of English. If we gave each other a bit more latitude in terms of conversational tone, then we would be able to side-step some of the peevishness that crops up. Just a suggestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripock View Post
    If we gave each other a bit more latitude in terms of conversational tone, then we would be able to side-step some of the peevishness that crops up. Just a suggestion.
    I think the use of such terms as “stupidly” in the description of another person’s technique falls well outside the latitude a reasonable person should be willing to give without responding with a minor dressing down. And I don’t believe for a moment that that choice of terms was caused by poor language skills.... poor people skills, perhaps..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swamp Yankee View Post
    I think the use of such terms as “stupidly” in the description of another person’s technique falls well outside the latitude a reasonable person should be willing to give without responding with a minor dressing down. And I don’t believe for a moment that that choice of terms was caused by poor language skills.... poor people skills, perhaps..
    I tend to disagree. Dyads such as good vs. evil, pretty vs. ugly, smart vs. stupid...those are very characteristic of non-native speakers. I myself am guilty of such over-simplifications when not using English. However, I don't have a horse in this race. I was trying to make a suggestion to smooth over some of the cross words uttered here. But I'll bow out now and go back to working on some D chords I've been practicing. Hope I didn't make any trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarmo_S View Post
    Jim Yates, with fretting instruments a fingertip when making chords, is or should be always on or off! You can brake your hand if you wish trying stupidly muting with a fingertip. I am not talking about flageolets, What ubulele suggested is dangerous and won't even work reliably. So someone with longtime knowledge like myself had to step in.

    1102 is just C#m7, the 6th degree chord in E. Your 2020 lacks the root, not 3rd in D7.
    You are correct about the Hawaiian D7 Jarmo. It is the root, not the third that's missing. My bad.

    And 2201 - G# C# E B can be a C#m7 or an E6.

    C#m7 - C# E G# B

    E6 - E G# B C#

    They are inversions of each other.

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