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    In its simplest sense, fair market value (FMV) is the price that real property would sell for on the open market. A term commonly used in tax and real estate, fair market value has come to represent the price of an asset under the following usual set of conditions: Prospective buyers and sellers are reasonably knowledgeable about the asset, behaving in their own best interests, free of undue pressure to trade and given a reasonable time period for completing the transaction. Given these conditions, an asset's fair market value should represent an accurate valuation or assessment of its worth.

    Clearly, this description of FMV is apt to real estate, but I also think it fits the buyer (or winner) of this auction: knowledgeable, acting in his/her own best interest, and free to advance the price or walk away at any point. And hopefully the buyer feels the price was worth what was bid and eventually paid.

    Collectively, I think we should celebrate when someone acquires an instrument they truly want and place a special value on. I am in no position to judge the actions or what is spent by anyone, either a high or low dollar amount. I am not a fanboy of the material possessions we buy, sell or own – I am more a fan of a community and culture that lifts and revels in the good we can bring to each other. These are the kind of people I want to associate with.

    I don’t normally reply to these kinds of threads on this or the guitar forums I belong to, but for once I wanted to state my opinion on the matter. And yes, it’s just my opinion, but I think it is shared by many here on UU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Counter View Post
    Because a K brand is a huge improvement over a Mahalo. I don't think an MB is anywhere near as huge an improvement over a K brand, particularly not a custom K brand.
    As you get into the premium instruments, the differences become smaller as far as sound goes (woods used and category sizes the same). Playability is different between makers. Some are markedly different, and some differences are small.

    Chuck Moore adds remarkable artistic design to his top ukes. Which I doubt alters the sound the instrument produces, but most certainly adds aesthetic value.

    We often select one ukulele over another because we like the look of the woodgrain in it over the other. Sometimes we buy one with more bling than another because we like the look of the binding or the perfing or the rosette. None of which affects the sound of the instrument. (Okay, some straight grains are supposed to have a better sound than the highly figured or spalted woods.)

    Whether one finds the aesthetics of the instrument important or appreciates added graphics, inlays or scrimshaw, is strictly a personal preference. Some people think it's a waste of money, while others feel that it is well worth the added cost and proudly display and perform with the instrument.

    My understanding is that Chuck hand-selects the woods he uses. He does tap tests and scrapes the tops and backs to get exactly the sound he wants. That he feels is ideal for that particular top. He custom tunes the wood if you will. Does it make the uke sound better? Many think it does indeed.

    Not being familiar with a Mahalo tenor, I have no basis for comparison. But I would guess the differences would be significant. Worth the price difference? Well, that's up to the buyer/player. The difference between a Hive and an MB is probably smaller. Worth the price difference? Again, that's the player/buyer's call.

    I am sure there are a number of MB buyers that enjoy playing a work of art. That it adds significantly to their experience. While others may be collectors and purchase it strictly for it uniqueness and its beauty. (Which would be a shame if it isn't played. Like owning a Ferrari and never driving it.)

    Regardless, it's the buyer's decision and motivations. If they have the wherewithal and the desire, then who are we to say different?

    Personally, I think it's wonderful that Chuck has a way to express his art while producing excellent sounding instruments at the same time. And that he is receiving the recognition he so richly deserves. May he be able to continue to do so for a long time to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenn2018 View Post

    Chuck Moore adds remarkable artistic design to his top ukes. Which I doubt alters the sound the instrument produces, but most certainly adds aesthetic value.
    But that is entirely subjective, don't any of you see that? 'Remarkable artistic design' - the man can't draw for heavens sake! Look at the arms on the girl in the uke in question. If she had her arms by her side she could walk on her hands her arms are that long and out of proportion. If you honestly think these are worth the money then no-one is stopping you from buying and enjoying them but please don't hail them to the world as great art and then take personal offense when someone disagrees. And before someone tells me that this is just his style, there is a big difference between folksy kitsch and bad draftsmanship. Of course this is just my opinion, I shouldn't have to explain that in a public forum, but if one person has the right to hail these as great art then another person has the right to disagree. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind - that would be as dumb as walking into a room full of evangelicals and telling them god doesn't exist - they would also have their fingers in their ears, but I would defend anyone's right to do that if they honestly believed it. I don't care how long it takes to add the inlays - I personally do not think it makes them worth what people are prepared to pay. This is my opinion, get over it!
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    Counter, other people have differing opinions. Get over it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counter View Post
    But that is entirely subjective, don't any of you see that? 'Remarkable artistic design' - the man can't draw for heavens sake! Look at the arms on the girl in the uke in question. If she had her arms by her side she could walk on her hands her arms are that long and out of proportion. If you honestly think these are worth the money then no-one is stopping you from buying and enjoying them but please don't hail them to the world as great art and then take personal offense when someone disagrees. And before someone tells me that this is just his style, there is a big difference between folksy kitsch and bad draftsmanship. Of course this is just my opinion, I shouldn't have to explain that in a public forum, but if one person has the right to hail these as great art then another person has the right to disagree. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind - that would be as dumb as walking into a room full of evangelicals and telling them god doesn't exist - they would also have their fingers in their ears, but I would defend anyone's right to do that if they honestly believed it. I don't care how long it takes to add the inlays - I personally do not think it makes them worth what people are prepared to pay. This is my opinion, get over it!
    No one is taking personal offense, just amusing to see how much time you are burning on something you don’t like and have not experienced in person.. carry on countering..

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    Art is subjective. It only makes sense that what people put value into is subjective as well. What is precious to me is insignificant to another, and vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill1 View Post
    Its a great discussion, there can never be a right answer.

    Arguing about the MBU has to be better than the other things happening in London today. There is no problem arguing for a particular opinion. It will open your mind up to other things.
    There is a general election happening in the UK today but nothing else in London as far as I'm aware. Well, it's raining but that goes without saying!
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    It goes without saying that there's no doubt in my mind that a MB is worth every penny it takes to buy one.

    Also,

    It goes without saying that there's no doubt in my mind that a Mahalo is worth every penny it takes to buy one.

    Completely different instruments yet each totally justifies their selling price.
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    This thread has been fun to follow.

    Just one thought about this art: how great would it be to see a MBU sell at auction, only to self-immolate or destruct a la the Banksy that had a self-shredding frame which destroyed the work after it sold?

    I would guess Chuck and Banksy have differing views on their respective art being sold to a private citizen, but the idea of this really made me laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YogiTom View Post
    This thread has been fun to follow.

    Just one thought about this art: how great would it be to see a MBU sell at auction, only to self-immolate or destruct a la the Banksy that had a self-shredding frame which destroyed the work after it sold?

    I would guess Chuck and Banksy have differing views on their respective art being sold to a private citizen, but the idea of this really made me laugh.
    Banksy - the perfect example of how a good dealer and the right media coverage can fabricate a 'great' artist and fool rich collectors everywhere
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