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    Quote Originally Posted by Croaky Keith View Post
    If you want another moderator, I can give you some time, I've modded on a couple of forums before, & am still a mod on a computer forum.
    I am adding you as I write this Croaky Keith - I will send your reddit name an invitation.
    THANK YOU

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    If there's going to be a new forum, one possibility is having different levels of membership. Maybe 3 levels? Possibly don't make it blatantly obvious, which level you are, just a subtle indicator somewhere.

    One time donations are great, but there's less incentive for recurrence from year to year, so there should be more incentive to sign up for a membership.


    I'm sure there are some people are donating smaller amounts if they feel the VIP cost is too much (or if they want to donate extra). Just because you don't have a VIP next to your name, doesn't mean you didn't contribute.

    Everyone has different financial situations, and maybe less than $1 a week sounds cheap, but a one time layout of $45, means a big hit to the groceries until the next cheque comes in for some folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Croaky Keith View Post
    Very debatable! Other forums don't require such a high 'fee' - as has been mentioned many times, it is considered too high. We know you have money, & it is like water off a ducks back to you, but for others, it is a lot of money. A voluntary payment scheme would have been a better option, I believe, like several of my other forums.
    No, I don't have money, I live on Social Security, and it's certainly not like water off a ducks back, but I pay for what's important to me. I'm 70, never been married, no kids, and qualify for financial assistance with my health insurance so I don't have any co-pays, which would be high because I have a variety of health issues caused by radiation treatments for cancer years ago. I pay for VIP here and on the Talk Bass forum, the two things that occupy my life when I retired 7 years ago.

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    No, I don't have money
    Then I apologize - I was under the impression that you owned property.

    (I do contribute to a few other interest forums already.)
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    I have used internet fora and social media for years, and only in the last few years experienced internet fora that were funded by user donations/memberships. Perhaps the fora I have used are some that are more attractive to advertizers, so they can generate more money on advertizing.

    Because of the Seasons this forum is one I frequent regularly enough that I would get the membership if that would save the forum, but most fora I use I would never pay a membership for. Regardless of how small the amount, I am pretty strict about any regular expense and dont want my credit card info too many places online.

    Last year I tried making hard cider for the first time and made a profile on a homebrewing forum to ask a few questions, and they keep trying to sell me stuff and ask for donations. I am not going to sign up for payed memberships for a forum that I log into one month a year, if I even post there again next year.

    Same with this forum. If I was not participating in the Seasons, the time I spend in the others sub foras is often time I could spend better actually playing my uke. If I had to pay I would take that as a help to put myself together and quit.

    So here is not a paywall, but now just shaming of people who dont donate. And when does that kick in? When you make your profile? What makes an online forum vibrant is the flow of users who join to ask a question and end up hanging around. If they all after a month recieved a passive aggressive PM asking if they were cheapskates that would like to be despised by other users or pay up, most would just quit.

    I wonder how Reddit managed without donations, they probably sell our info or something.
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    Long rant gone wrong.

    Most people are ready to pay for the hobbies they prioritize.

    Most things going on in online fora are what we call "overspringshandlinger" in Denmark, or "acts of skipping [what you ought to be doing]". That is not something most people prioritize, and hence people are hesitant pay for online fora.

    Some fora manage, like social media, to be funded by adds. I dont know what makes the difference, but I believe that that also makes a more relaxed atmosphere in the forum, and makes for more new users.

    Edit: I just went and made a donation corresponding to a one year subscription. I dont have PayPal, and it looks like you would need one to manage returning payments or cancel subscriptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkingViking View Post
    I wonder how Reddit managed without donations, they probably sell our info or something.
    I'm positive they're selling our information. I just signed up for Reddit, and after giving it just my e-mail address as info, it immediately knew enough about what I'd done on other web sites to recommend a half dozen sub-reddits to me.


    I gave money to UU for a couple of years, but I've had bad experiences with PayPal, so I won't use them anymore. At the time, that was the only way UU was set up to receive money. Maybe they're taking advantage of more options now.
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    Most people are ready to pay for the hobbies they prioritize.
    That is very true, my main hobby gets a lot of my time helping others where I can, it is the way we do it in the land of FOSS.
    (FOSS = Free Open Source Software)
    (I'm a moderator on one forum too.)

    My computers take up quite a bit of my time these days, since my fitness disappeared & I can no longer manage to do all the cycling I used to do.

    Then there are my various harmonicas, flutes, & my whistles.........the uke is just another hobby for me nowadays, to be picked up & played when I feel like it.

    Each of my interests have their own forums, some two or three, & keeping up with them takes quite some time - it's just as well I'm retired.

    Stay safe, folks.
    Last edited by Croaky Keith; 03-31-2020 at 11:06 PM.
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    I was a vip for 3 or 4 years? Ironically those were the years I hardly visited! The Seasons got me back on the forum. I get that there needs to be financial support for things to run. It is up to the owners to decide what is free and what needs to be paid for. And if stuff is offered for free, no shame in making use of it.

    Also, there are ways to contribute outside of money. Answering questions, asking questions, creating and sharing content all add to the value of the community, and give the owners of the site more opportunity to sell lessons and merchandise. Again, they get to decide if it works for them, and when it needs to be changed. We get to decide if we want to stay and pay, or leave. No harm, no foul.

    UU doesn’t owe us anything, unless we have paid for it. And we don’t owe UU anything.

    The main obligations I feel are to support the site as I can, and to honor the relationships I have found on the seasons. But I have put those on myself.

    Thanks to all for starting the Reddit! I haven’t gotten too far on discord yet.


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