Congratulations, New Zealand!

kissing said:
As a skeptic, I would say it is predominantly due to their very low population density.
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Ah I recognised your signature pic from the Ocarina Network!
 
robinboyd said:
That was the New South Wales health minister. Different country.
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No, it was the NZ health minister David Clarke. No single country owns the sole rights to stupid.
 
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kissing said:
As a skeptic, I would say it is predominantly due to their very low population density.
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I agree, when it comes down to cases per million population Australia is doing better than New Zealand, Aust 248, NZ 276.

So far both countries have come through pretty well, lets hope the trend continues.:)
 
DPO said:
Our PM has grown into the job, during some pretty horrendous times. First the Christchurch slaughter and now a global pandemic. She has my utmost admiration.
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You should be very proud, indeed. A true reflection of the difference between "leadership" and BOSS-ship.
 
Santa said:
I agree, when it comes down to cases per million population Australia is doing better than New Zealand, Aust 248, NZ 276.

So far both countries have come through pretty well, lets hope the trend continues.:)
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Keep in mind, numbers reflect "tested" positives....
 
Web_Parrot said:
Keep in mind, numbers reflect "tested" positives....
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NZ is fortunate to be an island nation and have closed our borders early. We are at the end of the "chain" in terms of outbreak so the last to get hit and acted early, learning from other countries efforts. Most of our cases are young travellers in their 20s returning from overseas which is why our death rate is low.

I think season may have a small effect as we are in summer and the UV light is killing the virus. We have also had a drought so outdoor surfaces are dry (the virus survives on damp surfaces). I think this effect is small, less than quarantine itself, but still helping. Also has no effect on indoor spread which will be the majority of spread.
 
Nickie said:
Vietnam has no reported cases.
Americans are dropping like flies.
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The USS Theodore Roosevelt sailors were thought to be initially infected from staying at a hotel where two had tested positive in Da Nang, Vietnam.

And it is crazy that the USA leads the world in the number of deaths, which is still increasing, while discussing reopening sooner than later.
 
Jerryc41 said:
I wonder if "reported cases" is the same as "cases."
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Most assuredly not. Even here, in the US, our "reported cases" are no where near the true actual case number. There are a lot of people infected who are asymptomatic and we are not testing nearly enough to be sure of the true count. In most places, even if you are assumed to have it, if you have no other underlying health problems and are not experiencing complications, they don't even bother to test.
 
Bill1 said:
The USA has the third biggest population on the planet, about 328.2m people. So it is likely to have the biggest numbers of good and bad things which affect the population. People really should check out the averages for causes of death in the USA, the numbers for all causes are among the highest on the planet.

600k of people = 0.18% of 328.2m people.

Every vaccine has a fatality rate. If all 4.886m New Zealanders are given a vaccine which has a fatality rate of 0.5%, then there is a high possibility that 24,430 NZ people will die from receiving the vaccine. They are going to spend 18 months locked up and destroying the local economy only to face the fact that a vaccine has an inbuilt fatality rate which may not be all that different to the virus.

If all 328.2m of the USA population are given a vaccine with a fatality rate of 0.5%, then 1,641,000m people are likely to be killed by the vaccine. There is a big number for you to talk about. You can isolate and lose your job and be stuck at home for 6 - 18 months, waiting for a vaccine and the vaccine is still going to cause a big number of deaths because of the size of the population it is given to.

If the Mayor NYC had a vaccine that has a fatality rate of 0.5%, how many New Yorkers could die just from receiving the vaccine?

Unless this pathogen goes extinct off the planet we are stuck with it. We are still stuck with the Flu after 100 years. It is good to protect the vulnerable and to take some time to set up hospitals and facilities to cope with the peak of the infection, and we should be doing that, but we are going to be stuck with the pathogen for the next 100 years at least. Some mature thought and action is required to avoid us being turned into slaves to a pathogen. There needs to be a balance between protecting the vulnerable and normal human life and social activity.

There is no winning with a new virus that is dangerous to human life. There is no country which will have more or less deaths per 100 persons from the virus. Over a five year period the averages are all going to be very similar.

Don't let a lifeless pathogen ruin your future. Obviously you need to take care to avoid it or minimise its effects, but do not become a slave to a lifeless pathogen thing.
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A lot of misinformation here Bill.

One of the world biggest problems is anti vaxxers with their fruit loop theories.

"Vaccines are rigorously tested and monitored and are among the safest medical products we use. Millions of vaccinations are given to children and adults in the United States each year. Serious adverse reactions are rare. However, because of the high volume of use, coincidental adverse events including deaths, that are temporally associated with vaccination, do occur. When death occurs shortly following vaccination, loved ones and others might naturally question whether it was related to vaccination. A large body of evidence supports the safety of vaccines, and multiple studies and scientific reviews have found no association between vaccination and deaths except in rare cases. During the US multi-state measles outbreak of 2014–2015, unsubstantiated claims of deaths caused by measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine began circulating on the Internet, prompting responses by public health officials to address common misinterpretations and misuses of vaccine safety surveillance data, particularly around spontaneous reports submitted to the US Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). We summarize epidemiologic data on deaths following vaccination, including examples where reasonable scientific evidence exists to support that vaccination caused or contributed to deaths. Rare cases where a known or plausible theoretical risk of death following vaccination exists include anaphylaxis, vaccine-strain systemic infection after administration of live vaccines to severely immunocompromised persons, intussusception after rotavirus vaccine, Guillain-Barré syndrome after inactivated influenza vaccine, fall-related injuries associated with syncope after vaccination, yellow fever vaccine-associated viscerotropic disease or associated neurologic disease, serious complications from smallpox vaccine including eczema vaccinatum, progressive vaccinia, postvaccinal encephalitis, myocarditis, and dilated cardiomyopathy, and vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis from oral poliovirus vaccine. However, making general assumptions and drawing conclusions about vaccinations causing deaths based on spontaneous reports to VAERS – some of which might be anecdotal or second-hand – or case reports in the media, is not a scientifically valid practice."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/
 
Bill1 said:
The USA has the third biggest population on the planet, about 328.2m people. So it is likely to have the biggest numbers of good and bad things which affect the population. People really should check out the averages for causes of death in the USA, the numbers for all causes are among the highest on the planet.

600k of people = 0.18% of 328.2m people.

Every vaccine has a fatality rate. If all 4.886m New Zealanders are given a vaccine which has a fatality rate of 0.5%, then there is a high possibility that 24,430 NZ people will die from receiving the vaccine. They are going to spend 18 months locked up and destroying the local economy only to face the fact that a vaccine has an inbuilt fatality rate which may not be all that different to the virus.

If all 328.2m of the USA population are given a vaccine with a fatality rate of 0.5%, then 1,641,000m people are likely to be killed by the vaccine. There is a big number for you to talk about. You can isolate and lose your job and be stuck at home for 6 - 18 months, waiting for a vaccine and the vaccine is still going to cause a big number of deaths because of the size of the population it is given to.

If the Mayor NYC had a vaccine that has a fatality rate of 0.5%, how many New Yorkers could die just from receiving the vaccine?

Unless this pathogen goes extinct off the planet we are stuck with it. We are still stuck with the Flu after 100 years. It is good to protect the vulnerable and to take some time to set up hospitals and facilities to cope with the peak of the infection, and we should be doing that, but we are going to be stuck with the pathogen for the next 100 years at least. Some mature thought and action is required to avoid us being turned into slaves to a pathogen. There needs to be a balance between protecting the vulnerable and normal human life and social activity.

There is no winning with a new virus that is dangerous to human life. There is no country which will have more or less deaths per 100 persons from the virus. Over a five year period the averages are all going to be very similar.

Don't let a lifeless pathogen ruin your future. Obviously you need to take care to avoid it or minimise its effects, but do not become a slave to a lifeless pathogen thing.
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No need to worry about New Zealand, we're doing the right thing, and doing it well.
 
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I believe China's population is over 1 billion and their "reported" covid 19 deaths are 4632. High population doesn't always mean high numbers in all cases. However, the "reported" numbers are influenced by many factors like politics, testing errors and the percentage of the population tested.

Here in the USA we have only tested 1 percent of our population and the deaths attributed to covid 19 are only those patients being treated for that virus.
 
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rainbow21 said:
The USS Theodore Roosevelt sailors were thought to be initially infected from staying at a hotel where two had tested positive in Da Nang, Vietnam.

And it is crazy that the USA leads the world in the number of deaths, which is still increasing, while discussing reopening sooner than later.
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States decide how they report COVID deaths, so the accuracy of the count can vary from state to state. States want to show a low count, so you can assume that the numbers of deaths reported is low. Some states report deaths only if the person has tested positive. Of course the number of infections is based on the number of positive tests, and tests are given only to people who obviously have the disease. If everyone could use the five-minute test that the White House has, infected people could stay out of the general population and stop spreading this disease.
 
Russia's population is 144.5 million and their reported deaths are just 273. Are they not bothering to count or do they have a vaccine already but haven't told us yet :cool:
 
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