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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Schlichting View Post
    Edit: I also try to gently turn communications with people I meet into something positive when I realise that they are very emotional and meandring around the Covid theme for more than neccessary in a small talk. Most times these turns are welcomed by the other part. If not, then I look at my wrist watch and say: "Oh, sorry, I am late, have to leave, see you!" added by: "Will you have a nice time!"
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    How are you feeling now Lifestion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croaky Keith View Post
    Knowing that you have a problem is half the battle, I think, accepting it & making adjustments is the way to get along with it.
    Acceptance is sometimes the most difficult part. I know I will over come this one soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifestion View Post
    Acceptance is sometimes the most difficult part. I know I will over come this one soon.
    What is also important is to know and realise, that the way you are and the way you feel is perfectly part of human nature and the definition of what is "normal" and what is not or even "ill" is almost all time a concept of others. It is a concept of the society which we are part of.

    I may give you an example: Today someone with "illness of of the autism-spectrum" is regarded as "disabled". But in certain prehistoric communities these people were not regarded as disabled. The abilities they had were most times included i a way, that everybody had a benefit, also the person itself. They were just a part of the community with very own abilities. You find this in ancient America and also in prehistoric Europe, where some of the most exiting bone or ivory carvings were made by so called autists as studies could demonstrate. They had a role to play in their community.
    Or a group where one member is especially emotional and sensitive to fears could benefit from this sensitivity by being alarmed earlier than the others would be. The other way around, in special circumstances, a group member with a lack of the ability to feel afraid by something is especially tough to overcome when the group is attacked. A good example are the Berserks in Viking Age Scandinavia.

    These are extreme examples. Imagine now, where you stand with "just" anxiety. There will be a reason why nature has made us the way we are. If we all were the same, this would not have brought us where we are now as mankind. The modern society where all of us should be packed into a small number of drawers is just a result of some kind of human capital management, if you ask me.

    This way, acceptance can very well be key of feeling good the way you are. When I can accept the way I am, then I can expect all others to do so as well, as long as I know that I do no harm to no one. To ask, what could it be good for? can be very mood raising. I am sure, anybody would find situations in which the own abilities or mentality would be of a huge advantage, even if they are seemingly disadvantages in times, when everything runs so called "normal" in our modern crazy times.

    Of course, a Berserk, who accepts the way he is, will most likely suffer from being accepted by others, even if he expects it. But remember, even here there sure will be an army somewhere which is happy to take him in and accept the way he is

    The other thing is, when one is suffering from the own mental state and is unhappy and wishes to clear away from feeling depressed, anxious, sad, whatever. Then it is important to know, that there are ways to tackle this.
    The decision to live (!) with it and/or to get rid of this state and live a better life are the only two right options one has. The dicision to not live with it, is the only wrong option. Too many are choosing the latter just because they think it too hard to try the first two first. Once they tried the first two options they notice that this is much easier than they thought. This is the reason why a professional can be of much help. He or she already knows the techniques and tricks. To find a good one can be a very good exercise in itself and shall not lead to frustration, rather to a strange kind of fun.

    The bravest is maybe only better in hiding fears than you.

    Wish you a happy and successful New Year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Schlichting View Post
    ...in certain prehistoric communities these people were not regarded as disabled. The abilities they had were most times included in a way, that everybody had a benefit, also the person itself.

    Wish you a happy and successful New Year!

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    When I was in what we called grammar school at the time, everyone was in one class. Now, kids are divided up into Smart, Pretty Smart, and Not So Smart (not the actual terms). Those below the Not So Smart category wind up in yet another group. I don't know if separating kids like that is the best way to do things. Fortunately, no one wants my opinion on anything.
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    Not depressed or anxious but it is rather boring not being able to run around town, travel or see friends as I did in pre-pandemic times. On the other hand, the Covid disruption has been a blessing in disguise because I've been working from home and am a lot more productive without the distraction of coworkers and commuting in rush hour traffic. All those extra hours ended up opening up more time to practice and write every single day, rather than just here and there. Plus, a lot more home improvement and gardening gets done!

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    I could now focus on the thought that this can change and the things I went through in my childhood come back. The Covid situation is something we can't measure by experience so it is hard to evaluate where ones personal risk or that of a beloved person who we fear of losing maybe lies.

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    I agree, its hard to evaluate risk with an unknown. I have never been stung by a bee so I dont know if I have an allergy to them. For me its the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifestion View Post
    I could now focus on the thought that this can change and the things I went through in my childhood come back. The Covid situation is something we can't measure by experience so it is hard to evaluate where ones personal risk or that of a beloved person who we fear of losing maybe lies.
    Lifestion, you took my exact words, thank you for that! But you have quoted these my sentences without the context. And the context is VERY important. I said:

    "I could now focus on the thought that this can change and the things I went through in my childhood come back. But I don't!" That is what I said. Right?

    And I said:
    "The Covid situation is something we can't measure by experience so it is hard to evaluate where ones personal risk or that of a beloved person who we fear of losing maybe lies. But what we can do is, learn the dimensions, programme our brain to not gather useless informations, or fixate on this Covid theme too much, and climb the tower to confront us with the reality (simple safety precautions by wearing masks and distancing provided) to learn, that most of the people we know will not be seriously affected by the virus even if single persons we know will. To acknowledge the actual individual risk is key." That is what I said. Right?

    Ok, now let's go on from here.
    What you can see in this example, where you took something selectively from the whole context and make it fit to the momentary mode of thought or your momentary mood, the same thing gets a completely different perspective and meaning, if you expand the context, like I did above. So don't look at things isolated.

    Now let's practise this:

    "Covid kills" or "A Person, who cought COVID 19 died" This is selective thinking, isolated, no context. VERY WORRYING
    vs: "Covid kills in 1.0 to 2.0 out of 1000 infected with preconditions" or "One out of one thousand persons who cought Covid, died", without having accurate numbers, you see that there is a very important difference! Just to give a general direction.

    Now, do you see the difference?

    You can say: I will sure enough be the one who dies if i catch the virus. But there is more reason to say to yourself: It is most unlikely that I get killed by Covid, as things stand right now. And my personal risk is getting lower with every day proceeding, because there are vaccinations now going on and their speed increasing, numbers of people infected will dramatically sink in just a few weeks from now, and medicine gets better at the same time, medical treatments have improved and are still improving every day. You haven't had the same amount of worries about measles. You could dive into the measles theme and get worried enough instantly. But this was not a prominent theme in comparison with Covid. So you managed to blend out measles entirely. Wow, that means your brain was programmed to evaluate this risk! The same way you can blend out Covid. And programme your brain again! Simply concentrate on common sense, wearing masks, stay a little bit at distance to others, wash your hands frequently, try to avoid touching your face too often (this is a very nice exercise on it's own and can be alot of fun!) and you will be fine. And stop stepping over the line here. Think just that wide, not further, because that is exactly the area under your own control! Just like you know the risks when crossing a road, you are under control when you cross it, you can have the Covid risk under control, and learn or train yourself to feel safe again. Make sure to concentrate on this alone, and you'll be fine. Seek help, when you can't control your worries on your own. There are educated people to show you how you can do it and who are on and at your side when you are exercising and practising ways to feel secure and safe again. And take control!

    To continue on this path of thinking: Even if one day sooner or later there will only 1000 people worldwide per year get infected with a hopefully then very rare Covid2 virus in the future, there will still be the same ratio of 1-2 per 1000 people with this infection dying from Covid. How big is the chance of you to die from it then? You are one out of 7.5 Billion People on earth. Your personal risk will be near zero. You can see from this example, that risk is a calculatable thing. Your personal risk is always very low!. And to take control over your worries is to take control over these calculations, and try to climb a tower to get a general overview over these risks without diving into details of rare conditions that may become true or not. Try the media thing I mentioned in my previous replies to your post. If you click on positive news for say three weeks and conciously leave out the bad stuff the internet is too full of, only three weeks, and go pessimists discussions in your personal environment out of the way or turn these conversations to more light and positive themes, you will realise how you will feel better and better yourself. It is not about to put your head into the sand, as we say over here, just to stop thinking negative when it has no positive effect, if you get me.

    I wish you the best of luck. If I could I would jump through the internet and pop up at your side, smile, say hi, and go through it with you. I can't. But there will be someone near you who can!

    P.S.: If nothing helps, humor helps (Jerry's example!)
    Last edited by Christian Schlichting; 01-08-2021 at 07:40 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLele View Post
    I agree, its hard to evaluate risk with an unknown. I have never been stung by a bee so I dont know if I have an allergy to them. For me its the same thing.
    Lifestion took this example from my text but without it's context. In this context, your example with bees would mean: You don't know if you are allergic against bee's poison. But you don't think at it every time you leave your bee free home. You are fine.
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