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    Quote Originally Posted by ubulele View Post
    As I see it, the problem is less that the tension of the D and E strings is too high, but that the tension differential from the other two strings is too noticeable. Be that as it may...

    I gather your desired tuning is G2 D3 A3 E4. The D and E are the same pitches as for the 4th and 1st strings of normal bari linear G tuning (D3 G3 B3 E4), so one solution is to mix these two strings from a bari set with a 6th and 2nd guitar single. If you find the tension of the (bari) wound D string still too high, you might consider a linear all-fluorocarbon set, like Worth CB or BB (clear bari or brown bari). Just switching to the clear fluorocarbons may lower the tension to your sweet spot, though this string will not have the same brightness of tone as with a wound string (in my experience, it's too lax and thuddy, but other people seem to find it quite satisfactory, or Worth, Living Water et al. wouldn't make such sets). The browns are more pliant and may feel less tense still.

    Another option would be to use the 5th and 1st strings from a lower-tension guitar set. Using the 6th and 2nd strings from the same set would not be appropriate here, because they'd be even laxer, and the relative difference in tension from their neighbors is the very source of the problem. Sadly, lower-tension strings are hard to find as singles, so you'd probably have to buy a full set and then a couple of normal (or better still, high-tension) singles for the other two strings.

    As for the E string, you might consider a tenor 1st string single. Here's the reasoning:

    Tenor scale "starts" at about the 3rd fret of a bari. Thus, a tenor 1st string (A), if put on a bari and tuned to identical tension would sound three semitones lower (F#), which is a whole step above what you want. I routinely downtune my tenors a whole step to Bb tuning, and this lowered tension works fine, so a tenor 1st string tuned on a bari to E should be less tense (more like the 4th and 2nd strings in your tuning) but not too lax. The main concern might be the length, but most tenor strings are sufficiently long to fit a bari.
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    Thanks , my question was actually about why 2 spruce top baritones might resdond so differently. To the same set of strings?

    The particular string question is an aside. Ive a lot of strings ordered so should get it sorted to my like sooner or later .
    But the query is do i go for the ohana or another clearwater which gas proven itself with this set up. I also emailed aquila to see if they could sort me out with a good set .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willthefifth View Post
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    Thanks , my question was actually about why 2 spruce top baritones might resdond so differently. To the same set of strings?

    The particular string question is an aside. Ive a lot of strings ordered so should get it sorted to my like sooner or later .
    But the query is do i go for the ohana or another clearwater which gas proven itself with this set up. I also emailed aquila to see if they could sort me out with a good set .
    Have you just read about this supposed issue or is this something you experience yourself? I think this Ohana uke is an entry level model and not so much an upgrade. So if you are comfortable with the clearwater and it works well just get a new one.

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    Supposed.....thats why im asking

    ohana bk 70 R both solid spruce top, laminate aide rose or walnut for the ohana While the clearwater is round plastic back.
    Ohana 350 or 310€
    Clearwater works out At 250€ So yes i suppose not so much in it money wise.
    So its a gamble with the ohana. But it looks lovely :-)
    I wanted a laminate side so i can instal the soundwave system.though the plastic also will work .
    Would you have another recommendation? Its not really about the money, i could spend more if i was sure it would work well in 5ths.
    You probably think im silly but apart from the spruce top Ideally id like the classical style head, and abalone around the sound hole. :-) which the ohana has and has a good review elsewhere.

    https://www.gotaukulele.com/2016/07/...-baritone.html
    https://www.gotaukulele.com/2017/02/...le-review.html
    Last edited by Willthefifth; 06-12-2021 at 12:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willthefifth View Post
    Supposed.....thats why im asking

    ohana bk 70 R Nearly Twice the price of the clearwater, both solid spruce top, laminate aide rose or walnut for the ohana While the clearwater is round plastic back.
    Ohana 350
    Clearwater 150 (plus import tax at 50) And postage.
    So its a gamble with the ohana. But it looks lovely :-) do you not think its really an upgrade?
    I wanted a laminate side so i can instal the soundwave system.though the plastic also will work .
    Would you have another recommendation? Its not really about the money, i could spend more if i was sure it would work well in 5ths.
    You probably think im silly but apart from the spruce top Ideally id like the classical style head, and abalone around the sound hole. :-) which the ohana has and has a good review elsewhere.

    https://www.gotaukulele.com/2016/07/...-baritone.html
    https://www.gotaukulele.com/2017/02/...le-review.html
    If you really want to upgrade and are attracted to Ohana then the Marcy Marxer model may be a good choice. It's not spruce topped, but Marcy is one of the most accomplished players of instruments in fifth tuning in North America. So I would not be surprised if her signature baritone might be top in that tuning as well. She even offered her own personal uke for sale, but is likely gone by now. I think they already have electronics built in too.
    Last edited by merlin666; 06-12-2021 at 12:49 PM.

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    Ok, Im in europe though so too far for me.

    The choice is between the two really, i think were i to upgrade from here id get one hand made .but really baritone is not my main gig anymore, i tend to travel with a soprano and im hoping the new concerto will replace the soprano if i can get the strings sorted.
    Were i living in Ireland again the baritone would become my main string gig, but after 30 yrs im selling up and heading for warmer climes so ....

    I got the clearwater again! Watched the 2 reviews and ..... im giving the old one to a 10 yr old .
    Thanks everyone
    Last edited by Willthefifth; 06-13-2021 at 12:18 AM.

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    Good going, Will.

    You convinced me to give baritone GDAE 5ths one more try so it could be 1 octave below my soprano ukuleles, and I could use the same mandolin fingering.

    Here goes...

    E .024 Standard baritone E
    A .032 Tuned down 1 step from baritone B (This stock .032 white nylon was a bit loose and sounded dull as A)
    Replaced the .032 with EJ56 classical set (clear nylon) 'B' string .0327" - A is much better, now.
    D .030w From D'Addario J68 set (also in EJ27n set)
    G .045w Low E from D'Addario EJ27n Classical set

    First impressions are it has good string balance with lots of grunt - just what the doctor prescribed

    Letting it settle in for a week before I permanently cut the nut for .045w.

    Thanks again for the motivation!

    -Wiggy

    <update>

    I couldn't wait, so I filed the nut to properly seat an .045w for G. It all sounds great. String tension feels normal. No buzzes, so I'm happy where it's at.

    <update #2> 22 Jul, 2021 Still liking this Octave Mandolin tuning.

    >-W
    Last edited by Wiggy; 07-21-2021 at 10:29 PM.

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    It should "just" be a matter of choosing the right string gauges.

    IIRC, Aquila dropped their 5ths tuning sets, and Southcoast (RIP) couldn't find a combination he was happy with, but eventually was selling reentrant 5ths set.

    You might check various online string tension calculators. What I might do is enter a "Standard" set and see how that scales out, then see if I could find a combination in 5ths.

    I observe that a guitar has larger range across six strings than a Mando does across four courses, making me think it's certainly feasible in SOME tuning drawing from the gauges of a Classical guitar set.
    Concert: Lanikai LU-21C (Southcoast MU)
    Soprano: Kala KA-PWS (Southcoast Machete)
    Baritone "Rennaissance Guitar": Kala KA-SBG (C-Linear with Worth BL-LGs currently.)
    Tenor: Kala ATP-CTG (Southcoast LMU-NW
    Tenor "Low G': Kala KA-FMTG (Southcoast LML-NW
    Tenor: Kala SRT-CTG-E (Southcoast LMU-NW
    Baritone "Nui": Pono NS-10 (Worth B-B)

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