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Spinning off from the recent debate that occurred in the Tonerite topic, I am seriously wanting to know whether anyone could plausibly explain the physics behind the old adage that instruments improve in sound from constant playing, since the 'vibrations' of being played improve the properties of the tonewood in some way.
The appeal of devices like "Tonerite" ( https://www.tonerite.com/ ) is that it applies vibrations to the instrument's string and wood to improve the sound as though it's a vintage instrument "played in" for many hours.
Full disclosure, I'm very skeptical about this phenomenon because I've yet to see a line of reasoning that can explain it.
A few words from my perspective to start the discussion:
The wooden top of ukuleles is a rigid albeit springy material.
The properties are like a diving board. It will spring and vibrate when some force is applied, but return more-or-less to its original form when the vibrations stop.
In order to change the overall property of how this wood behaves musically, one needs to alter the wooden structure using the vibrations.
I'd argue that if vibrations were strong enough to cause a change in wood structure, it will destroy the instrument.
I think wooden instruments do experience some change with the passing of time. Wood retains moisture, and over time the moisture content changes depending on the environment. Hence, this might be what is perceived as instruments 'opening up' with time.
I'd argue this occurs somewhat independently to how much an instrument is played/vibrated.
Some have brought up testing and experimentation.
I think it would be very difficult to test it reliably; especially given that no two instruments are completely identical and the sound of an instrument depends on many factors; both physical and psychological. If scientifically rigorous tests have been conducted or have been planned, please let me know. I'd be interested to know more.
Some have presented anecdotal accounts as a significant piece of evidence that this works. However, I'd argue that there are significant anecdotal evidences for many things we don't consider proven; including homeopathy and other placebo-based remedies, astrology and ghost sightings. I don't think anecdotes alone are sufficient to prove whether something is likely to be true. Anecdotal evidence must be paired with solid scientific reasoning to form a plausible theory or hypothesis.
I do believe that the physical concepts involved are relatively simple enough to discuss on a theoretical level.
In my view, in order for playing-in or vibrations to improve an instrument's tone, there has to be something to do with these long term vibrations causing permanent and irreversible change to the structure of the wood, coincidentally in a way that specifically improves musical sound.
Currently I find this rather implausible considering the nature of solid wood as discussed, and entropy.
Any thoughts?
The appeal of devices like "Tonerite" ( https://www.tonerite.com/ ) is that it applies vibrations to the instrument's string and wood to improve the sound as though it's a vintage instrument "played in" for many hours.
Full disclosure, I'm very skeptical about this phenomenon because I've yet to see a line of reasoning that can explain it.
A few words from my perspective to start the discussion:
The wooden top of ukuleles is a rigid albeit springy material.
The properties are like a diving board. It will spring and vibrate when some force is applied, but return more-or-less to its original form when the vibrations stop.
In order to change the overall property of how this wood behaves musically, one needs to alter the wooden structure using the vibrations.
I'd argue that if vibrations were strong enough to cause a change in wood structure, it will destroy the instrument.
I think wooden instruments do experience some change with the passing of time. Wood retains moisture, and over time the moisture content changes depending on the environment. Hence, this might be what is perceived as instruments 'opening up' with time.
I'd argue this occurs somewhat independently to how much an instrument is played/vibrated.
Some have brought up testing and experimentation.
I think it would be very difficult to test it reliably; especially given that no two instruments are completely identical and the sound of an instrument depends on many factors; both physical and psychological. If scientifically rigorous tests have been conducted or have been planned, please let me know. I'd be interested to know more.
Some have presented anecdotal accounts as a significant piece of evidence that this works. However, I'd argue that there are significant anecdotal evidences for many things we don't consider proven; including homeopathy and other placebo-based remedies, astrology and ghost sightings. I don't think anecdotes alone are sufficient to prove whether something is likely to be true. Anecdotal evidence must be paired with solid scientific reasoning to form a plausible theory or hypothesis.
I do believe that the physical concepts involved are relatively simple enough to discuss on a theoretical level.
In my view, in order for playing-in or vibrations to improve an instrument's tone, there has to be something to do with these long term vibrations causing permanent and irreversible change to the structure of the wood, coincidentally in a way that specifically improves musical sound.
Currently I find this rather implausible considering the nature of solid wood as discussed, and entropy.
Any thoughts?
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