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    My poor daughter. As many of you know have heard, my daughter is talented. She is a musician, and a vocalist. Coming from a history of "accompaniment" (being a bassest, and guitarist for many years) I have NEVER been able to sing and play at the same time. I have been told I have quite the vocal too (however, I just don't hear what they hear I reckon), have never been able to sing while playing. When I play, and first open my mouth to sing, the connection breaks, and I make mistakes. It's just always been that way <shrug>. My daughter is a great guitarist, especially in lead position, and riffs. She can really run the strings. She has also blown people away with her vocal talent, but she just can't do them both together, just like her old man.. Is that a "genetic" mental block or what? She is torn, because she wants to do both so badly, and do them together. She can play some rhythem guitar strumming, and sing, but still starts to sound mechanical. She likes the fluid soul style of playing like I have always, but as I do, looses the fluid quality as soon as her mouth opens. She has a talent contest coming up, that she wasn't going to go into, but everybody has been pushing her to enter. So, she decided to. (BTW, she has also been asked by the athletic director to sing the national anthem at varsity games) She has been practicing a few songs she loves to sing, but also wants to do some guitar solo stuff, but just can't do them together which is killing her.. lol.. I hope someday she can break the genetic bindings some day, and not be stuck in either lead vocals, or lead guitar one or the other.. Man.. How do I help her with that, when that has always been my weaknesses too, even with the Uke..
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    This is something I found very difficult when i started out too.
    perhaps what she needs to learn next is drums because the real problem is that it is mainly a rythmic challenge to do multipule things at once, and its realy jut a matter of practice not genetics. like anything she should start with an easy song where the vocals follwo the cadence of the instrument then move onto harder things with a conflicting rythm. practicing speaking as you are playing something intrumental can be a great practice and challenge. Practicing very slwo with coordinating just one line at a time of a song. it will get easier.

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    Actually, I would agree with you on that. She's not just getting started tho. She has sang since she was able to talk. Actually sing in tune, and in key since she was able two years old. She's been playing guitar since she was 4 or 5, but seriously since she was 7 (she is now 14), so even at her young age, she is a 7 year guitar veteran, and over 10 year vocal vet. Myself, been playing guitar for 30-35 or so years. Her rythem is actually quite good. She does also plays the drums rather well, and multible rythmatic tasks pretty good. It is just a disconnect when she sings, just as it has been for me for going on 4 decades now. I can talk, and pay attension to other things while playing, and so can she. She has carried on full conversations, while in the middle of some fairly advanced riffs like her hands are not even a part of her when she talks. But, it seems to be only when she concentrates on pitch when she is singing, just as myself. I'm not sure how to help her, and have told her to simply practice one specific song she wants to do it with, until it all simply becomes muscel/vocal memory, even tho that has never helped me over the years, but it is the only thing I know to tell her..
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    I am like that with plucking & picking - I can't sing whilst doing it and also sometimes with 'new' songs - if I have to read, strum & sing, I lose it! THat's why I like the good old songs that everyone knows (the chorus of, anyway!) I am amazed at how many songs we only know the choruses of - not the verses or the other way round, the verse & not the chorus, like Pearly Shells!

    Re not being able to sing & strum at the same time (all the time) - I think it is a bit patting your head & rubbing your tummy - just gotta concentrate a bit harder & practise more?!

    I'd love to hear her sing & play her chosen instruments - do you have any vids of her? Maybe in the talent quest - do a cunning little number that does some riffs & strums, with unaccompanied voice! That would highlight both of her talents & be TOTALLY different from what anyone else is doing?? Really make her stand out in the crowd!!

    I hope she does well!!

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    There's going to be for sure Roberta.. Another weird thing with her is she does great with just a few people standing around, but as soon as she knows there is a video camera on, she gets stage freight and either stops, or makes us turn off the camera. I do have a few short snippets of her on my youtube, but they don't last long before she shuts them down, lol... She also does her best stuff in a huge open area where she can really open up and feel she isn't busting the roof down. I found that out when she was in 5th grade, at a talent show in the schools gym. I didn't have a camera with me, because frankly, I didn't think much about it then because she was supposed to do a number with her class, and I jsut figured it was another gang of kids singing kid songs together. I had no idea at that time that her music teacher had a her planned for a whole solo. She sang Bon Jovi's "Living on a prayer" up on stage with the chior singing her back up. The whole place you could hear a pin drop until the song was done, and the place exploded. Not a jaw in the room wasn't on the floor. That kid filled the whole room with music and it was crazy. I didn't even know her little lungs had that in her like that until that night. So, it's either a huge stage setting for her, or a small intimate room with a couple people with her. Now that she has matured, she does plan to do more of those type shows. After 6th grade, she went through the "awkward" puberty years where she was "too embarrassed" to sing anything in public, but just a year or so ago as she is now a young woman coming out of that weird stage, and showing more interests in public showing of her talent. The past several years since 7 years old to know just been me and her basically with ukes and guitars and singing. She is blooming, and just about ready for public.. I'm proud of her, and she will be doing this next talent show, as well as singing the national anthem at some of the varsity sporting events.. So, yep, the videos will be coming in full before too long. But in the meantime, there are short snippets on mine, and the wife's youtube posts..
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    Epiphone Les Paul Concert Uke "Lil' Lester"
    Harmony Banjo Uke a.k.a. "Bango"
    Gibson Les Paul a.k.a. "Hobo Ted"
    Epiphone Les Paul Studio a.k.a. "Barnabas"
    Epiphone Les Paul a.k.a. "Blaze"
    Gretsch Tenor Banjo a.k.a. "Jed"
    Supertone 406, 5 string Banjo a.k.a. "GrandPa Jones"
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    I saw an interview with B.B. King, where he revealed he can't play and sing at the same time.
    He has done ok with his music.
    Keep Strummin'

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    Sounds like a MULTI TALENTED FAMILY to me!! That is really terrific! I wish her all the luck in the world & hope she wins!!!

    Roberta
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    70s Kamaka Soprano
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    Bruce Wei Pineapple Tenor in Acacia
    Kala Travel Concert High G with external K&K pickup
    Kala Travel Concert Low G with external K&K pickup
    Anuenue Concert Papa II with internal K&K pickup
    1920s Harmony Uke



    Forster Jumping Fleas Ukulele Band

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGthEMqX2gU

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    I am not sure, but I think it's more of a "show" than a contest she is entering at her high school. Don't think there is gonna be a specific winner. She's been in "Tech Ed" in her 1st semester as a freshman, and the music dept has been after her to join the chior all year so far, but it interfered with her tech ed class and she wanted to do that too.. lol.. Torn kid she is, hahhah... But, she also has a love of working on antique cars like her old man, and she wanted to do tech ed because they get into metal fabrication and welding. But, I think the chior fokes finally got her to drop that for this next semester and join them. So, I think that will help her allot with public music. The HS music teacher heard her play the guitar and I caught hell over that, because the music teacher came to me and asked why the heck isn't she is her music class? lol.. The kid has so many interests, and talents really, that she is messed up and not enough time in the day to do all that, and her sports.. Poor kid.. hahhah
    Mahalo Ke Akua
    ------------------
    Ohana SK-35 a.k.a. "IZ"
    Ohana SK-21 a.k.a. "Ku'u poki'i <Kapookie>"
    Lanikai LU-21 a.k.a. "Cinderella"
    Epiphone Les Paul Concert Uke "Lil' Lester"
    Harmony Banjo Uke a.k.a. "Bango"
    Gibson Les Paul a.k.a. "Hobo Ted"
    Epiphone Les Paul Studio a.k.a. "Barnabas"
    Epiphone Les Paul a.k.a. "Blaze"
    Gretsch Tenor Banjo a.k.a. "Jed"
    Supertone 406, 5 string Banjo a.k.a. "GrandPa Jones"
    Fernendes Telecaster "Suemeh"

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    Here is one vocal for ya Roberta.. This isn't her at her best, because in the house, she holds back allot due to the size of the room. She seems to hold back in small spaces. Besides that, she was not in the best emotional state, because this was just a couple nights after I had my medical emergency over a year ago. I was in ICU and she recorded this for me when I was still not sure I was gonna live from one day to the next.. So it wasn't her best because she got a little pitchy becasue she was trying not to cry but, it helped me want to stay alive for her.. And started me on my health kick that got me where I am now.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/nhuguley.../2/CMMbcLtDfTs

    http://<a href="http://www.youtube.c...MMbcLtDfTs</a>
    Last edited by Tudorp; 12-05-2011 at 10:41 AM.
    Mahalo Ke Akua
    ------------------
    Ohana SK-35 a.k.a. "IZ"
    Ohana SK-21 a.k.a. "Ku'u poki'i <Kapookie>"
    Lanikai LU-21 a.k.a. "Cinderella"
    Epiphone Les Paul Concert Uke "Lil' Lester"
    Harmony Banjo Uke a.k.a. "Bango"
    Gibson Les Paul a.k.a. "Hobo Ted"
    Epiphone Les Paul Studio a.k.a. "Barnabas"
    Epiphone Les Paul a.k.a. "Blaze"
    Gretsch Tenor Banjo a.k.a. "Jed"
    Supertone 406, 5 string Banjo a.k.a. "GrandPa Jones"
    Fernendes Telecaster "Suemeh"

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    Tony,

    I had the same problem when I first started playing the ukulele, so I decided the first song I was going to learn to both sing and play was one in which I knew the lyrics by heart and could sing them on autopilot, in order to give all my brain concentration to my playing. (The song was The Beatles' "All My Loving.") For the longest time I had problems and then one day something clicked, as if new separate roadways had suddenly opened up directly from my brain to my hands and mouth. I know your daughter has been doing music stuff for a long time, but I wonder if many people who can't play and sing at once can't sing and play at once because they don't practice at it long enough to build those neural pathways in their own brains. As someone suggested, your daughter should pick a song she knows so well she can sing it in her sleep and then try to train her brain to put her mouth on autopilot while concentrating on playing. It may take a longer time for her than for some, and it will certainly be frustrating, but I believe that if she does this long enough, one day it will just click for her and she'll be able to do both with that song and she'll also be able to train herslef to do the same thing with increasingly difficult songs. By the way, most people I've talked to have had the same "sudden" experience, so she shouldn't give up if, for the longest time, she doesn't feel like she's making any progress. The brain is an extraordinary thing, and I think everyone's is capable of this sort of training. Best of luck!

    Mark

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