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    This link garyg posted on the Main Forum Board just last Saturday covers the subject pretty well.

    https://www.eff.org/issues/intellect...als#content-id

    Having a video flagged as "Contains copyrighted material" does not mean you are in trouble or about to be banned by YouTube. If YouTube thought that video was unacceptable, they would have just deleted it rather than flagging it. It just means a recognition software they use identified it as a copyrighted song. Having a song flagged that way does not count as one of your three strikes before your YouTube account is deleted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uke4ia View Post
    This link garyg posted on the Main Forum Board just last Saturday covers the subject pretty well.

    https://www.eff.org/issues/intellect...als#content-id

    Having a video flagged as "Contains copyrighted material" does not mean you are in trouble or about to be banned by YouTube. If YouTube thought that video was unacceptable, they would have just deleted it rather than flagging it. It just means a recognition software they use identified it as a copyrighted song. Having a song flagged that way does not count as one of your three strikes before your YouTube account is deleted.
    Okay, thanks so much!

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    as a youtbe channel holder, you are very unlikely to incur anyone's wrath if you are careful. That is, draw attention to the fact that it is a cover in the title and state who the original artist is. Or, alternatively, as Scott said, don't say anything at all.

    Intellectual property is intellectual property fullstop. Anyone who flouts this law is asking for it and should not complain if a song is removed or a channel terminated as a consequence of doing something which is illegal - however we might disagree with such a law.

    To simply throw one's hands up in the air and say "well I'm not making any money put of it" is a cop-out in my book. You are, by definition stealing someone else's property. If my channel were to be shut down tomorrow I would have to wear it and there is every reason it should or could be as I have covered many many songs withoput permission.

    I have an added interest in these matters as, several years ago, a friend of mine with whom I used to perform in an acoustic duo, put out a solo record. On the record he included a cover of one of my original songs. He did not ask me if this was OK and I only found out when the album had been released. My nose was sure out of joint...he wasn't a superstar and I never took it anywhere, but it was the principle of the matter...it was MY SONG and he recorded it on his record without asking me. This was when the issue of copyright and intellectual ownership started to mean something to me. So, as someone who now does lots of youtube covers I well realise I am on shaky ground and fully prepared to face whatever consequences may arise.

    The backyard argument of 'I'm not making anything out of it' just doesn't hold water with me...you must be promoting something...your own ego, sense of self-esteem, musical ability, desire to share...something...or you wouldn't be doing it in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eugene ukulele View Post
    as a youtbe channel holder, you are very unlikely to incur anyone's wrath if you are careful. That is, draw attention to the fact that it is a cover in the title and state who the original artist is. Or, alternatively, as Scott said, don't say anything at all.

    Intellectual property is intellectual property fullstop. Anyone who flouts this law is asking for it and should not complain if a song is removed or a channel terminated as a consequence of doing something which is illegal - however we might disagree with such a law.

    To simply throw one's hands up in the air and say "well I'm not making any money put of it" is a cop-out in my book. You are, by definition stealing someone else's property. If my channel were to be shut down tomorrow I would have to wear it and there is every reason it should or could be as I have covered many many songs withoput permission.

    I have an added interest in these matters as, several years ago, a friend of mine with whom I used to perform in an acoustic duo, put out a solo record. On the record he included a cover of one of my original songs. He did not ask me if this was OK and I only found out when the album had been released. My nose was sure out of joint...he wasn't a superstar and I never took it anywhere, but it was the principle of the matter...it was MY SONG and he recorded it on his record without asking me. This was when the issue of copyright and intellectual ownership started to mean something to me. So, as someone who now does lots of youtube covers I well realise I am on shaky ground and fully prepared to face whatever consequences may arise.

    The backyard argument of 'I'm not making anything out of it' just doesn't hold water with me...you must be promoting something...your own ego, sense of self-esteem, musical ability, desire to share...something...or you wouldn't be doing it in the first place.

    Just my 2cents
    Thanks for your input. I can definitely see where you're coming from. It's the music companies who never actually did a lick of work on the "rights" they hold that just want money. It's not about art to them. It's about money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountryMouse View Post
    It's the music companies who never actually did a lick of work on the "rights" they hold that just want money. It's not about art to them. It's about money.

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    Mousie - I used to think the same thing, but then realized that the people whose rights they are protecting are mostly normal people - there aren't a whole lot of superstars out there. Most copyright holders being protected by ASCAP and BMI are small. independent artists - and they deserved to be compensated for the use of their property. Sure, the big companies are in it to make a buck, but the principle is valid, I think. Like most laws, I always consider how it effects the little guy - in this case, I think it's a good thing, helping to allow small artists to actually make a little money.

    That being said - what we do here should be permissible and, for the most part, it is.

    Regarding a dispute - I just clicked on the link on the 'Third Party Content' match page that said something about 'Dispute this claim' or some such. It was pretty straightforward, although there wasn't really an option for 'The person claiming the match isn't the actual copyright holder' - I just picked whichever option seemed closest and described briefly (yes, the box is tiny) that they weren't, in fact, the holders. The 'match' on my video manager disappeared immediately and I've never heard a word since. This happened several times and I've never had an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 23skidoo View Post
    Mousie - I used to think the same thing, but then realized that the people whose rights they are protecting are mostly normal people - there aren't a whole lot of superstars out there. Most copyright holders being protected by ASCAP and BMI are small. independent artists - and they deserved to be compensated for the use of their property. Sure, the big companies are in it to make a buck, but the principle is valid, I think. Like most laws, I always consider how it effects the little guy - in this case, I think it's a good thing, helping to allow small artists to actually make a little money.

    That being said - what we do here should be permissible and, for the most part, it is.

    Regarding a dispute - I just clicked on the link on the 'Third Party Content' match page that said something about 'Dispute this claim' or some such. It was pretty straightforward, although there wasn't really an option for 'The person claiming the match isn't the actual copyright holder' - I just picked whichever option seemed closest and described briefly (yes, the box is tiny) that they weren't, in fact, the holders. The 'match' on my video manager disappeared immediately and I've never heard a word since. This happened several times and I've never had an issue.
    Thank you for explaining things, and thank you VERY much for the information on how to dispute that particular collection agency!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eugene ukulele View Post
    I have an added interest in these matters as, several years ago, a friend of mine with whom I used to perform in an acoustic duo, put out a solo record. On the record he included a cover of one of my original songs. He did not ask me if this was OK and I only found out when the album had been released. My nose was sure out of joint...he wasn't a superstar and I never took it anywhere, but it was the principle of the matter...it was MY SONG and he recorded it on his record without asking me. This was when the issue of copyright and intellectual ownership started to mean something to me. So, as someone who now does lots of youtube covers I well realise I am on shaky ground and fully prepared to face whatever consequences may arise.
    I had a similar situation - I played with a woman very casually several years ago, and with another friend as well. My friend and I were much better musicians than her, but she could really sing. She would bring original tunes in and we would rework them - lyrics, music, arrangements, even retitling them. She later released a self-produced CD with a few of the tunes on it - no credit to me or my buddy. Like you, I didn't really worry about - kind of thought it was funny, actually.....

    And I agree - we should all be making these YouTube covers knowing full well what we're doing. I always include the original artist and the word 'cover' in my video titles and in the tags. I may be inviting catastrophe by doing this, but I sleep better......

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    I use Flickr if I want some photos to go with an old song. You can pick up
    quite good photos if you trawl through the commons. However people do get
    touchy if you use their photos without permission.

    I well remember a case a few years ago where a woman who had uploaded
    some old photos of her father had found out that they had been used without
    her permission in a project that had glorified war, and she strongly felt that
    this was a dishonour to her fathers name.

    And I think that is quite relevant to music as well. Musicians often reinterpret
    songs to fit their own style, and it may not sit very well with the original
    creator of the music.

    Recently I was asked if some youtube music I had made could be used as
    a soundtrack for a student movie. There was a long exchange of emails with
    me trying to find out the precise nature of the project, because I did not want
    the music I had created to be used for something that I might morally object to.
    Since lending your music is often seen as an endorsement.

    There are many artists out there who will not allow their music to be associated
    with certain products even though the deal might be quite lucrative.
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