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    Default "It Is A Puzzlement!"

    Well, I just finished learning my 6 Chords, and I've just about got the Maj7s memorized. But, upon prechecking the minor7 chords, I find that they are the same as the 6 chords! 0000 is Am7, and it's also C6! Wha . . . ? 1111 is Bbm7 and also Eb6. 3324 is Eb7 and also F#6. I have enough trouble learning stuff and keeping it straight without puzzles. If I play 0000 I expect a C6, so how come I get a Am7? And how does it fit into the tune? I even checked another chord chart to see if the first one was incorrect, and it wasn't.

    I got the yips trying to figure out Diminished Seventh Chords which are also lots the same. I finally gave up and play them as they are on the music or ignore them--done.

    This Ukulele learning is bending my head. I'm really a newby when it comes to chords. When one fingers an F on a Flute or a Trumpet or a Tin Whistle, he gets an F.

    I could use a little 'splaining . . .
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    Yeah, I noticed that, too. I'm a bit of a rebel, so when called upon to play Am7, I play C6 instead - and vice versa.

    Nobody has complained, yet.

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    I've noticed that as well. I learned long ago that it is very hard to be logical in an illogical world, so I just accept it and move on. You can't change it.
    I don't want to live in a world that is linear.

    I just want everyone to understand that I am not a ukulele expert, even though it may look at times like I'm pretending to be.

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    Hey, you're both my kinda people. If ya can't figure it out, play a different tune! Right on!
    Kala "Spalted" baritone - Lo D GBE- Fingerstyle
    Gold Tone tenor banjolele - Lo F BbDF Fingerstyle
    Luna “Peace” concert - CGDA (5ths) Fingerstyle

    Kala tenor eight string - gGcCEEAA Strum
    Flea "Red" concert - Hi-F BbDG Strum
    Kala "Exotic Mahogany" soprano - Hi-A DF#B Strum

    Mahalo yellow "Smiley" soprano (Dad's Day gift)
    Ka-Lai Pineapple soprano (old) gift

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    Rather than think about it as finger shapes, look up what actual notes make up each chord. Maybe it'll be clearer then?
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    It's the same darned notes. That's why it doesn't make sense. OOOO is OOOO! The only way one can change it is to change his jaw position and close one eye!
    Kala "Spalted" baritone - Lo D GBE- Fingerstyle
    Gold Tone tenor banjolele - Lo F BbDF Fingerstyle
    Luna “Peace” concert - CGDA (5ths) Fingerstyle

    Kala tenor eight string - gGcCEEAA Strum
    Flea "Red" concert - Hi-F BbDG Strum
    Kala "Exotic Mahogany" soprano - Hi-A DF#B Strum

    Mahalo yellow "Smiley" soprano (Dad's Day gift)
    Ka-Lai Pineapple soprano (old) gift

    Old age should rather be feared than death. - Juvenal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Down Up Dick View Post
    It's the same darned notes. That's why it doesn't make sense. OOOO is OOOO! The only way one can change it is to change his jaw position and close one eye!
    HaHa, that was funny. I'm going to try that. :-)
    I don't want to live in a world that is linear.

    I just want everyone to understand that I am not a ukulele expert, even though it may look at times like I'm pretending to be.

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    With only 2 octaves and 4 strings, the ukulele "borrows" chord names all over the place.

    Because 2 chords can have the same notes in them, they can be played the same with 2 (or more) different names. The addition of other notes on a guitar can further clarify the chord name.

    Please take this with a grain of salt, as I neither read music nor do I have perfect pitch. My knowledge of theory is rudimentary at best, and is based on playing guitar (mediocre at best) for nearly 40 years, and paying attention to people who play Ukulele in the almost 3 years I've been playing. One of my observations is that those players with a Jazz background have a very clear handle on why, as many of them play all over the fretboard. (Take a workshop - any workshop - with Sarah Maisel, for example. In 45 minutes, you will become a better player!)

    One of the quandaries you'll see is the D7 vs. Hawaiian D7 chord - 3222 vs 0202 (I think I have that right... Barred 2nd fret, and 3rd fret on A string vs. 2nd fret on G and E, open C and A). The notes in the standard form are ADF#C, while the Hawaiian form is ACF#A - the only difference, note-wise is the lack of a D in the Hawaiian form (And how odd that the root of the chord isn't present in that chord!). They are both D7, yet the appropriateness of the form depends on what you are playing, what chord you are shifting from/to, and what you want the overall sound to be.

    I know that the G7 chord is usually taught as 2120, and a C is 3000. I use those sometimes. I find, however, I'm more apt to play the 2nd position chords 5354 and 3345 instead - but that depends entirely on the song. I just like the sound better, and - as Ken Middleton pointed out in a workshop at the 2013 Wine Country Ukulele Festival, when one person plays a 1st position chord, and another plays the 2nd position version of that same chord, it really enhances the sound.

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    Some call naming chords, notes, and intervals "musical spelling." It's a way for the mind, and other musicians, to understand and name what is heard, and to pass it on to others. It's the same thing in writing - most of us just have a better grasp on that, simply because we're used to it. "See" sounds like "C," which sounds like "Sea," but they're all spelled differently. Same with C6 and Am7. You can call it what you want amongst yourself. But at times, others may expect you to spell musical figures correctly.

    That's about the best explanation I can come up with, and who knows, it may still be as clear as mud.

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    Yes you have, ksiegel; both chords are perzactly the same--same notes--same finger position--same strings . . .! And here's yet another piece that doesn't fit this mind bender. The 6 and Maj7 Chords are major chord families, and, of course, the minor seventh chords are MINOR! Yet, (repositioning jaw) they're all played (closing one eye) THE SAME! "It Is A Puzzlement!"
    Kala "Spalted" baritone - Lo D GBE- Fingerstyle
    Gold Tone tenor banjolele - Lo F BbDF Fingerstyle
    Luna “Peace” concert - CGDA (5ths) Fingerstyle

    Kala tenor eight string - gGcCEEAA Strum
    Flea "Red" concert - Hi-F BbDG Strum
    Kala "Exotic Mahogany" soprano - Hi-A DF#B Strum

    Mahalo yellow "Smiley" soprano (Dad's Day gift)
    Ka-Lai Pineapple soprano (old) gift

    Old age should rather be feared than death. - Juvenal
    God gave us old age so we wouldn't mind dying so much.

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