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    Peaceweaver3, I don't think we're talking about the name of these chords. We could call them Pete and Jim and Tom or whatever. We're really talking about the SOUND of the chords. If one plays all four strings open, he gets a Pete Chord, and, if he plays the same chord again, will he get a Jim or Tom Chord?
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    Let’s look at an example….

    The C Major chord is C-E-G (the first, third and fifth notes of the C major scale). If we add the sixth note of the scale (A), then we have C6 (C-E-G-A).

    The A minor chord is A-C-E (the first, third and fifth notes of the natural A minor scale). If we add the seventh note of the scale (G), then we have Am7 (A-C-E-G).

    Same notes, just stacked differently. What you call it (C6 or Am7) depends on the harmonic context.
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    Yes Wicked, but one is not playing the notes one at a time (i. e. A, C, E, G, vs. C, E, G, A). One is playing them both GCEA. So, of course, both strums will sound exactly the same. The ACEG is minor, but will it sound minor? Only if one believes it does and clicks his heels three times.
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    Luna “Peace” concert - CGDA (5ths) Fingerstyle

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    Flea "Red" concert - Hi-F BbDG Strum
    Kala "Exotic Mahogany" soprano - Hi-A DF#B Strum

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    Gb is the same note as F#...different names ..same note ...as are G# / A b A # / Bb C#/Db D#/Eb......these are all black notes on a piano keyboard and known as Enharmonic one note sound ...two names or "spellings"......It all depends what scale or key they are written in.

    The chords you refer to are similar. Same shape, different names ...but same sounds ....there are loads of others ......best bet is this "rocks are hard ,water is wet"
    just accept it and move on really ....and look on the bright side ...you learn one chord shape you have a twofer .......

    Wicked 's reply sounds right but so does yours and that is what music is about...if it sounds right it is............
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    I realize that music theory is very helpful when one is playing music, even on the ukulele, and I really wish that I had a more knowledge and understanding of it. Every piece of knowledge I can pick up makes me a better ukulele player, but sadly, I can not wait to absorb it all before I embark on my journey. So for the time being anyway, I'm just going with what I have, and pretending the rest is magic, and just playing whatever comes up when it comes up, without very much understanding of the why. I'm a very accepting person. I'm learning a little along the way though, and that is nice. But the magic is working pretty good as well.
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    I don't want to live in a world that is linear.

    I just want everyone to understand that I am not a ukulele expert, even though it may look at times like I'm pretending to be.

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    CeeJay, you are absolutely correct. I was gonna tell Wicked that she (must be a woman with a name like that) came the closest to having it right (after me). But it's really stupid. Why have a minor that dosen't sound particularly minor? So I have come to the same conclusion that Rllink, and you both did. It doesn't make much sense, so just get over it. I'm not even gonna bother learning minor (ha!) 7th chords. I really enjoyed this thread though.
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    Flea "Red" concert - Hi-F BbDG Strum
    Kala "Exotic Mahogany" soprano - Hi-A DF#B Strum

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    What do you mean, ?...pretending the rest is magic?"

    Isn't it all magic? Works that way for me.
    Why me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PereBourik View Post
    What do you mean, ?...pretending the rest is magic?"

    Isn't it all magic? Works that way for me.
    Absolutely.
    I don't want to live in a world that is linear.

    I just want everyone to understand that I am not a ukulele expert, even though it may look at times like I'm pretending to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked View Post

    The A minor chord is A-C-E (the first, third and fifth notes of the natural A minor scale). If we add the seventh note of the scale (G), then we have Am7 (A-C-E-G).
    Except that I play the Am7 using the notes A-C-F#-G (0302).

    I picked up that shape when I played the Em7 chord on guitar (030220)

    I think basically, the answer to Dick's question is that the name of the chord varies based on key and progression. There are pieces of music that make note of the Gb chord, as well as the G# chord. There are other pieces that refer to the F# chord and the Ab chord. And they are, of course, the same notes.

    As to why some chords are called minor chords, but hav the same shapes and notes as major or 6th chords, it all depends on the way that the music is written - where it is coming from, and where it is going to.

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    Wicked summed it up succinctly and well. It's a matter of context.

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