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    Quote Originally Posted by Down Up Dick View Post
    CeeJay, you are absolutely correct. I was gonna tell Wicked that she (must be a woman with a name like that) came the closest to having it right (after me). But it's really stupid. Why have a minor that dosen't sound particularly minor? So I have come to the same conclusion that Rllink, and you both did. It doesn't make much sense, so just get over it. I'm not even gonna bother learning minor (ha!) 7th chords. I really enjoyed this thread though.
    A. Why would the word "wicked" have a gender?
    B. There is no debate here.... C6 is the same chord as Am7. All 6 chords are the same as the m7 of their relative minor. That's just how it is.
    C. It makes perfect sense.
    Thou Shalt Not.

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    Well, Wicked: A. Wicked just does, and, to me, it's feminine. B. I'm not debating the names of the chords. I believe the chord chart. It's all the nonsense about them being two different sounds. If your instructor tells you to play C# and you play Db--IT'S THE SAME SOUND! So why have a C# chart and a Db chart. There's a better way to write the chord charts for both type chords. C. If it made perfect sense, we wouldn't be debating it. D. If you are a male and I have somehow insulted you, I'm sorry. I'm an old man and get excited easily.
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    Flea "Red" concert - Hi-F BbDG Strum
    Kala "Exotic Mahogany" soprano - Hi-A DF#B Strum

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    ubulele, I don't know what the heck you're talkin' about. I just skimmed it, but, watch yourself, you're gonna explode! I'll read it again, but it didn't seem to have a lot to do with the debate.
    Kala "Spalted" baritone - Lo D GBE- Fingerstyle
    Gold Tone tenor banjolele - Lo F BbDF Fingerstyle
    Luna “Peace” concert - CGDA (5ths) Fingerstyle

    Kala tenor eight string - gGcCEEAA Strum
    Flea "Red" concert - Hi-F BbDG Strum
    Kala "Exotic Mahogany" soprano - Hi-A DF#B Strum

    Mahalo yellow "Smiley" soprano (Dad's Day gift)
    Ka-Lai Pineapple soprano (old) gift

    Old age should rather be feared than death. - Juvenal
    God gave us old age so we wouldn't mind dying so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Down Up Dick View Post
    Well, Wicked: A. Wicked just does, and, to me, it's feminine. B. I'm not debating the names of the chords. I believe the chord chart. It's all the nonsense about them being two different sounds. If your instructor tells you to play C# and you play Db--IT'S THE SAME SOUND! So why have a C# chart and a Db chart. There's a better way to write the chord charts for both type chords. C. If it made perfect sense, we wouldn't be debating it. D. If you are a male and I have somehow insulted you, I'm sorry. I'm an old man and get excited easily.
    The two chords absolutely sound the same... They are the same notes. It is where you use them that defines their major or minor quality.
    Thou Shalt Not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Down Up Dick View Post
    ubulele, I don't know what the heck you're talkin' about. I just skimmed it, but, watch yourself, you're gonna explode! I'll read it again, but it didn't seem to have a lot to do with the debate.
    You asked a question, you got answers. Music theory is a vast and complex topic. If you're not willing to read knowledgeable posts and would rather just skim, then you'll have to settle for the answer "just because." Trust us, the same fingerings make the same sounds, but in the context of a given song in a given key, the same chord can have different names. Because music. If you want to know why, then you'll have to learn something.

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    Well. Wicked, without any doubt at all, you probably know more about chords than I do. I'm a self taught musician, and all my instruments have been wind instruments except keyboard which I don't play well. I started this raging debate to try to understand the "puzzlement", but then it got to be fun and very interesting to me. What I learned though was that both groups were the same yet different, and that was that--nyah-nyah-nyah. Since I mostly like to play folk music (all kinds), I probably won't run across minor seventh chords much anyway, and I can just skip them.

    So thanks for the debate. You finished second right after me.
    Kala "Spalted" baritone - Lo D GBE- Fingerstyle
    Gold Tone tenor banjolele - Lo F BbDF Fingerstyle
    Luna “Peace” concert - CGDA (5ths) Fingerstyle

    Kala tenor eight string - gGcCEEAA Strum
    Flea "Red" concert - Hi-F BbDG Strum
    Kala "Exotic Mahogany" soprano - Hi-A DF#B Strum

    Mahalo yellow "Smiley" soprano (Dad's Day gift)
    Ka-Lai Pineapple soprano (old) gift

    Old age should rather be feared than death. - Juvenal
    God gave us old age so we wouldn't mind dying so much.

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    Ahoy, acmespaceship, yes I did, and I did settle for just because. That's good enough in this case. I really enjoyed the debate, and I learned enough to satisfy curiosity. Music, at least to me, is not the life or death struggle it is to other folks. To me it's just mostly for fun.

    And you're still hung up on the chord names. That's not what the debate was about.
    Kala "Spalted" baritone - Lo D GBE- Fingerstyle
    Gold Tone tenor banjolele - Lo F BbDF Fingerstyle
    Luna “Peace” concert - CGDA (5ths) Fingerstyle

    Kala tenor eight string - gGcCEEAA Strum
    Flea "Red" concert - Hi-F BbDG Strum
    Kala "Exotic Mahogany" soprano - Hi-A DF#B Strum

    Mahalo yellow "Smiley" soprano (Dad's Day gift)
    Ka-Lai Pineapple soprano (old) gift

    Old age should rather be feared than death. - Juvenal
    God gave us old age so we wouldn't mind dying so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukantor View Post
    Yeah, I noticed that, too. I'm a bit of a rebel, so when called upon to play Am7, I play C6 instead - and vice versa.

    Nobody has complained, yet.
    That's the spirit.

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    ubulele, I'm sorry if my comment to you before was insulting. I was just kidding'', and I appreciate that you're trying to help me. But your info is above my head to say the least. I'll read it and maybe learn something from it, but it's really a bit much. I'm an old man who just plays for fun these days. I had a ball earlier today playing hymns on my alto flute. Yesterday, I played Celtic Music on my Irish flute. I've been playing music all my life, but I haven't had much to do with chords. I can play lots of instruments, but my theory may be a bit weak. Anyway, I'll read your info over and see what I can get out of it. Thanks again for your help.
    Kala "Spalted" baritone - Lo D GBE- Fingerstyle
    Gold Tone tenor banjolele - Lo F BbDF Fingerstyle
    Luna “Peace” concert - CGDA (5ths) Fingerstyle

    Kala tenor eight string - gGcCEEAA Strum
    Flea "Red" concert - Hi-F BbDG Strum
    Kala "Exotic Mahogany" soprano - Hi-A DF#B Strum

    Mahalo yellow "Smiley" soprano (Dad's Day gift)
    Ka-Lai Pineapple soprano (old) gift

    Old age should rather be feared than death. - Juvenal
    God gave us old age so we wouldn't mind dying so much.

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    The thing about music theory is there's a lot of it, and much if it is completely optional. The other thing is its supposed to be helpful, but it isn't often explained very well to someone who's not versed in it.
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