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I know that some people find Bumps annoying, but personally I rather enjoy getting a second opportunity to dream or drool over a ‘For Sale’ uke. :) In reading the various comments in this thread, it seems that quite a few potentially complicated suggestions have been made to solve an issue that many don’t see as a problem in the first place. IMHO.
The two simplest solutions would be to:

1. Do nothing
2. Not allow bumps for a set period, say one per week.
 
I know that some people find Bumps annoying
Too frequently is annoying. Once a week is ok, every couple of days is overkill and screams of desperation, IMO. Of course, perhaps that presents an opportunity for lowballers.
 
Lots of good stuff being determined here! I 100% agree with all of the following:
  • Price should be clearly posted- agreed!
  • PMs should be allowed- agreed!
  • Commentary on price should be minimal (and positive)- agreed!
  • Separate listings work far better than combined listings- agreed!
  • We should be nice (and have fun)- agreed!
As someone who has bought and sold many ukes in this forum- I too am not crazy about the notion of banning bumps. Yes, they shouldn't be overused, but like many phenomena, listings can come in waves (sometimes deluges), and a post can find itself on page 2 or 3 pretty quickly, and be missed by anyone who doesn't check the forum obsessively.

If I have a uke for sale that is on page 2 or 3 and I make amendments (price drop, added photos, measurements, etc.) only to the original post, it doesn't move, and no one sees it. In these cases,I will bump the thread just to bring attention to the new info. I will admit I have, on occasion, bumped a thread just to revive it, and it has resulted in the right person seeing it and making a purchase. I think the annoyance of people potentially overusing bumps is outweighed by the loss of marketplace functionality if they're banned.

That's what I think anyway! 8^)
Thanks for this thread and the chance to weigh in!
Bingo ! Two Thumbs up (y) (y)
 
I'm guilty of posting "Nice uke, wish I could afford it." Probably unnecessary......
Some sellers definitely don't want any chatter that isn't "I want to buy this ukulele, where do I send the money", but comments like this, as Ernie pointed out, help to keep the sale thread higher up on the list.

ETA - plus, this forum is a chatty forum! I don't think we could expect people to refrain from commenting, especially when it's an eye-popping gorgeous uke, or one of those "ooooh, I would love to own one of those" types. Besides, thread activity is good (generally), it keeps things alive and shows that the forum is popular.
 
This is fine with me as long as it’s secondary to optimizing the forum for our members

I do what I can to keep Google out of our business, but if you're online, you're in the Google business. Google is the source of 99% of our new traffic, and 100% of our new members.

Please note: the rest of this isn't aimed at you or anyone else. This is sheer nerdery, to put in context the back-end stuff I'm wrestling with.



We had in fact fallen out of their good graces for a while, and went long stretches of time with falling traffic and virtually no new members. I've been doing everything I can to reverse that trend, and I've been making progress. We've set all-time records for new arrivals through search results in each of the past two months, and I feel like it's getting better....

....but there's only so much I can do if we keep making the kinds of posts that they have warned us in very, very plain language that they will penalize us for.

I'll tell you what they hate about posts that just say "bump" or little else. That's not a conversation. It's barely language at all. It's not even aimed at readers. It's just jostling the machine, and man, they hate that more than anything. It's worse than spam in their eyes, and if they see more of it than pleases them, they just won't send people here anymore.

As I mentioned before, I've been working in forums since 1988, and the last three I worked for flat out banned low-quality bumps, because they weren't willing to bear the impact of Google's penalties to their businesses. Google's bigger than all of us, and they win these fights, every time. I'm saying this as calmly as I can, but also as seriously as I can. Low-quality bumps are a potential threat to our ability to keep operating.

I really hope that this isn't sounding scoldy. I swear I don't mean it to. Wrestling with Google has been one of my least favorite parts of working on the web for the last decade or so. This is especially depressing because in their early days, they were one of the best parts about working on the web. I shouldn't have to think about them, but I don't have the luxury of not.

For now I'll keep doing what I can to keep things moving in the right direction, but if things take a turn, then I'll need to be more proactive about it. All I'm asking in return is to, pretty please, at least consider giving us something. A photo. A sound sample. A story. If you don't have any of those (and we certainly don't always), at least make your bump a couple of sentences rather than a couple of words.

We love these instruments, and we mostly at least like each other LOL so maybe think about what you'd be saying to someone face to face, or to a group of us in person to reopen a conversation. After all, we're here as part of a community. Better posts build communities better than machine-jostling does. :) In fact, machine-jostling literally undermines them. We can bear some of it because we have so many high-quality posts across the site, but there is definitely a line, and Google will let us know when we've crossed it. I'd appreciate your help staying out of the penalty box.

So I'm not making "no low-quality bumps" a rule yet, but I'm also not ruling out a rule in the future. :)

I think these kinds of comments help us to get little glimpses of one another and often can lead to side conversations about mutual interests and even long term communication. It's nice.

THIS, I ADORE. I sometimes look at ukes that I think should be getting more action, and will make a comment to supply a bump myself. That's what I'm talking about. Fostering communication, community, communion, all that good stuff. If we make that our standard for every post, things keep moving in the right direction.

Here's to at least not TALKING about Google for a while, even if I can never go more than an hour or two without thinking about them, which pleases me none at all. :ROFLMAO:

Yr pal,
Tim
Mod

PS. I'm not much of a buyer or seller, and I find that too much time in the marketplace is more than my UAS can handle. I really don't plan to say anything else about this, and agree that that was never the intent of this thread. It's a non-trivial issue, I swear, but I also swear that I'm not going to say anything else about it. LOL
 
Tim,

I find a post like this very useful. it provides some background that would never occur to most of us non-tech members. Who would guess that a “bump” would hurt our search visibility more than making no comment at all.
 
Yes, thanks Tim for this insight. What a drag! It sounds like your experience with Google jibes with their removal of "Don't Be Evil" from their code of conduct. 🙄

I swear I've encountered a situation on the forum where I tried to add a few words to my own sales thread and got a message saying "your post has too few words", or something to that effect. Is implementing a minimum wkrd count per post a viable option? (Yes I understand people will initially freak out and you'll have to explain why every 15 minutes...)
 
It's early in the morning here in NH and I haven't got my coffee yet so please bare with me. What is the value to us of Google (or any other search engine) sending more traffic our way? Will that increased traffic consist of potential users with the "Aloha" spirit or will it be a cross section of typical Internet denizens both good and bad for us to sort through?
 
It's early in the morning here in NH and I haven't got my coffee yet so please bare with me. What is the value to us of Google (or any other search engine) sending more traffic our way? Will that increased traffic consist of potential users with the "Aloha" spirit or will it be a cross section of typical Internet denizens both good and bad for us to sort through?
I get your point. How big do we need or want to be?
 
It's early in the morning here in NH and I haven't got my coffee yet so please bare with me. What is the value to us of Google (or any other search engine) sending more traffic our way? Will that increased traffic consist of potential users with the "Aloha" spirit or will it be a cross section of typical Internet denizens both good and bad for us to sort through?
I think people who genuinely want to find us will ...
I get your point. How big do we need or want to be?
ditto - those who want to find us will


Agree with these sentiments at face value. Wouldn't want this site to become a circus if this is a double edge sword situation with google.

I think this marketplace discussion is maybe going off the rails a bit or the deep end in subject matter. Marketplace works well as is .... Could be overthinking all this or extending the discussion into parts unknown or the periphery ? I dunno.



This should be more than enough words in this post to keep google happy LOL - I don't think we have many people that type one word bumps or whatever.
 
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