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bunnyf
12-26-2015, 03:39 PM
Darn it, but is anyone else bothered by their headstock dropping when using their strap? One of my baris has an end pin and then a strap button on the underside of the heel. The strap rotates around my neck and the headstock drops toward the ground as soon as I let go. I would wish it would be more balanced. I find it distracting enough to move the strap to tie at the headstock for better balance. Anyone else experiencing this?
I was playing sitting and strapless (supporting uke in my lap) for the most part but am trying to use a strap to be able to play standing and also to give my left hand more freedom of movement.
Is this imbalance a Bari thing or do smaller ukes have this too?

Sanfe
12-26-2015, 03:58 PM
It's called "neck dive" in the guitar world. My Firebird with banjo tuners does the same thing. It's something I learned to live with.

bunnyf
12-26-2015, 04:52 PM
I wonder if the type of material used for the strap could help minimize it. My strap is some kind of smooth synthetic material. Perhaps the rough side of leather against the body would resist the downward pull more.

morgensd
12-26-2015, 04:58 PM
the longer neck on the Bari results in the weight of the headstock sitting farther away from the pivot point of the strap button on the heel than a smaller uke. It's just like a lever. Common with small-bodied bass guitars. Some people tie a small bag with birdshot to the strap at the end pin to compensate.

deschutestrout
12-26-2015, 05:21 PM
I ALWAYS keep my hand on the headstock when using a strap. Unless you're using strap locks, doesn't take much of an "accident" to have your instrument hit the floor ... headstock first.

Nickie
12-26-2015, 05:53 PM
Bunny, I don't like it either. My local luthier (not LoPrinzi) makes his necks/headstocks heavy because he believes that it gives a uke more sustain. He may be right, but I don't like heavy anything. That's why I haven't bought an ukulele from him.

mm stan
12-26-2015, 06:10 PM
Perhaps you sew on a thick coat a velcro and to strap somewhere by your shoulder and neck, it might alleviate the slipping

Sanfe
12-26-2015, 07:19 PM
Some people tie a small bag with birdshot to the strap at the end pin to compensate.
Never heard that one before.

lelouden
12-26-2015, 07:45 PM
I wonder if the type of material used for the strap could help minimize it. My strap is some kind of smooth synthetic material. Perhaps the rough side of leather against the body would resist the downward pull more.

Yes it does. I have made several Uke straps with this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0043FFEQI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00 by measuring to me and then hole punching each end and then cutting a slit just long enough to still have a secure hole. My Ukes do not slip around because one side of the leather is raw. One Uke strap made this way is cheap, comfortable and light as a feather. I seriously could make these up and sell them but I would rather share the idea with the our Uke friends here.

Lori
12-26-2015, 07:48 PM
Any top heavy uke with have the problem. Connecting at the headstock seems like the best solution. If the fretting hand is bothered by the headstock strap position at the nut, you can move it higher up on the headstock, so it is between the tuners. That will give your fretting hand a little more room to move around.

–Lori

kohanmike
12-26-2015, 09:09 PM
Neck dive is very common. Since I started playing bass ukes, I've encountered it more. I use leather straps without any buckles and raw on the inside which helps a great deal.

bunnyf
12-27-2015, 01:46 AM
the longer neck on the Bari results in the weight of the headstock sitting farther away from the pivot point of the strap button on the heel than a smaller uke. It's just like a lever. Common with small-bodied bass guitars. Some people tie a small bag with birdshot to the strap at the end pin to compensate.

Clever! I hadn't thought of counter weight. Perhaps something worked into the strap or even a heavy strap lock there.

bunnyf
12-27-2015, 01:53 AM
I ALWAYS keep my hand on the headstock when using a strap. Unless you're using strap locks, doesn't take much of an "accident" to have your instrument hit the floor ... headstock first.

My hand is never far away. I don't trust those leather tabs. I have had the lower end pin/Jack tab work its way off, so II know they aren't secure. I've used an old 90degree Jack cut off an old cable as a strap lock. I may break that out and see if the added weight helps (like the bag of shot suggested). Perhaps it will kill two birds with one stone.

bunnyf
12-27-2015, 02:06 AM
Bunny, I don't like it either. My local luthier (not LoPrinzi) makes his necks/headstocks heavy because he believes that it gives a uke more sustain. He may be right, but I don't like heavy anything. That's why I haven't bought an ukulele from him.

You know Nicky, I hadn't noticed head weight before now. My little LoPrinzi soprano is super light and seems more balanced. I've had a variety of baris before but never really used a strap, as I played sitting. I've got a new Pono Bari with a pickup and use it for playing out and often find that I need to stand, hence the strap. I wonder if Ponos have heavier than average headstock/necks? I used to think slotted headstocks were just an aesthetic choice and always thought to myself no big deal. Now I'm wondering if in fact they really are the way to go p, at least on a Bari.

bunnyf
12-27-2015, 02:14 AM
Yes it does. I have made several Uke straps with this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0043FFEQI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00 by measuring to me and then hole punching each end and then cutting a slit just long enough to still have a secure hole. My Ukes do not slip around because one side of the leather is raw. One Uke strap made this way is cheap, comfortable and light as a feather. I seriously could make these up and sell them but I would rather share the idea with the our Uke friends here.

Thanks for the link. I'm gonna give it a go. I've found those synthetic ones a bit scratchy on my neck (besides slippery). I'm not sure if it's the edges of the material itself or the stitching. Here in hot humid Florida, your neck is often bare and I am bothered by the feel of the strap. I thought leather would be more comfy and that raw side might resist movement a bit. I guess ill explore Michaels for a hole punch.

hollisdwyer
12-27-2015, 02:15 AM
Although I only have Tenors, I haven't experienced that problem with my leather straps. Mine are 1/2" wide, similar to what lelouden suggested in an earlier post. My Uke stays at whatever angle I set it at.

bunnyf
12-27-2015, 02:23 AM
Any top heavy uke with have the problem. Connecting at the headstock seems like the best solution. If the fretting hand is bothered by the headstock strap position at the nut, you can move it higher up on the headstock, so it is between the tuners. That will give your fretting hand a little more room to move around.
–Lori

I would have liked to use the button but it's not gonna fly with the balance like this. I'm gonna try the leather strap and some kind of counter wt at the jack (like a strap lock). If that doesn't do the trick, it's gonna have to go to the headstock. I don't like it tied by the nut, as I feel like it's too close to my fretting hand, but I always wondered if between the tuners would affect the tuning (rubbing and moving the tuners, esp. friction ones).

bunnyf
12-27-2015, 02:33 AM
Neck dive is very common. Since I started playing bass ukes, I've encountered it more. I use leather straps without any buckles and suede on the inside which helps a great deal.

Glad to hear I'm not alone. I thought perhaps that I had just hit on a particularly heavy headed uke and that most do not have this trouble. I'm going for the leather strap. I just have to come to a decision on strap length. I haven't found my exact comfort zone for where I want my uke to hang. I fluctuate between liking it low like Brittani or Taimane and liking it higher up (maybe a little easier to fret).

bunnyf
12-27-2015, 02:37 AM
Thanks to all of you guys for all the helpful info. I posted this question before I went to bed last night and it was so nice to wake up and find all the little UU fairies had left little tips under my pillow.

Down Up Dick
12-27-2015, 05:38 AM
Here's one last suggestion, though it's kinda nutty. You could put your foot up on a small stool (like a folding kitchen stool) or even a low chair. I made a small one like a Classical Guitarist foot rest to help hold my tuba and/or baritone horn where I wanted them on my lap. I made another one for sitting with the Ukes too, but it didn't work out.

I mostly play my banjos and Ukes sitting. I play my flutes standing to open up my breathing. I walk around a lot too. :old:

ukegirl
12-27-2015, 05:40 AM
Just tie the strap end to the headstock, folkie style.

Down Up Dick
12-27-2015, 08:45 AM
I'm surprised that Lori didn't mention it, but, if you use one of her straps and hook it to your bicep or belt, your Head should stay up--no problem. Check out her adverts. I made a couple of my own and they work well.

This is the answer to your problem! :old:

Lori
12-27-2015, 11:40 AM
I'm surprised that Lori didn't mention it, but, if you use one of her straps and hook it to your bicep or belt, your Head should stay up--no problem. Check out her adverts. I made a couple of my own and they work well.

This is the answer to your problem! :old:

Hi Down Up Dick. Thanks for the support. For a baritone, the Uke Leash half strap approach will work for sitting, but the baritone might be too big for standing. A full strap would be better in that case. Of course, there are Uke Leash Guitar Style Straps for those ukes.

–Lori

Lori
12-27-2015, 11:57 AM
I would have liked to use the button but it's not gonna fly with the balance like this. I'm gonna try the leather strap and some kind of counter wt at the jack (like a strap lock). If that doesn't do the trick, it's gonna have to go to the headstock. I don't like it tied by the nut, as I feel like it's too close to my fretting hand, but I always wondered if between the tuners would affect the tuning (rubbing and moving the tuners, esp. friction ones).
Headstock strap can be positioned so it doesn't interfere with the tuning keys. See photo from Uke Leash manual. In my experience, this has worked very well on both types of tuners.
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–Lori

whistleman123
12-28-2015, 08:53 AM
Yes it does. I have made several Uke straps with this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0043FFEQI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00 by measuring to me and then hole punching each end and then cutting a slit just long enough to still have a secure hole. My Ukes do not slip around because one side of the leather is raw. One Uke strap made this way is cheap, comfortable and light as a feather. I seriously could make these up and sell them but I would rather share the idea with the our Uke friends here.


WOW, does this work! I have a Tandy Leather Store right around the corner. The saddle strings were on sale for $4. 5 minutes to measure, punch and slice. No more head drop! GREAT IDEA!!! Thanks for sharing.

Tootler
12-29-2015, 12:53 AM
Yes it does. I have made several Uke straps with this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0043FFEQI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00 by measuring to me and then hole punching each end and then cutting a slit just long enough to still have a secure hole. My Ukes do not slip around because one side of the leather is raw. One Uke strap made this way is cheap, comfortable and light as a feather. I seriously could make these up and sell them but I would rather share the idea with the our Uke friends here.

Ebay is another good source of this type of material. Search for "leather strapping" or something similar and you will find plenty in various widths and thicknesses.

I have some cotton straps with music designs that I got from a UK ebay seller (she also has ones with ukuleles on them) and I was looking for something to make a headstock attachment instead of the length of bootlaces supplied. Something a bit like this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00CYPVBOS/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=569136327&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00CFMWGVC&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=0SMWYZAH6ZDBC38XP98A). These are sold for guitars and I wanted some to fit my ukes so I thought I would make my own.

Ukejenny
12-29-2015, 04:06 PM
Headstock strap can be positioned so it doesn't interfere with the tuning keys. See photo from Uke Leash manual. In my experience, this has worked very well on both types of tuners.
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–Lori

I use Lori's guitar style uke leash and it works great. It is attached to my headstock and the balance is treat on all my ukes. It doesn't irritate me, not slide-y and not too grabby. Just right!!!!

I got a uBass as a gift and have ordered a slightly thicker strap for that. Excited to see how it feels.

Tim Mullins
12-29-2015, 04:11 PM
Darn it, but is anyone else bothered by their headstock dropping when using their strap? One of my baris has an end pin and then a strap button on the underside of the heel. The strap rotates around my neck and the headstock drops toward the ground as soon as I let go. I would wish it would be more balanced. I find it distracting enough to move the strap to tie at the headstock for better balance. Anyone else experiencing this?
I was playing sitting and strapless (supporting uke in my lap) for the most part but am trying to use a strap to be able to play standing and also to give my left hand more freedom of movement.
Is this imbalance a Bari thing or do smaller ukes have this too?

One benefit of the Mobius Strap over standard guitar-type straps is that it holds the neck in a stable playing position without the use of either hand. In fact, it depends on the weight of the neck to balance properly!